As others have said, sticks. I'm giving them a shot this season. Most people around here use climbers but, there have been times I went out to hunt an area and couldn't get within now range due to tree selection. If I had sticks, I would have been able too. Have you ever used screw in steps?? Unless I was using a drill attachment, I wouldn't use them for permanent stands again!! It takes for ever to get them in and there is no way you can slip up a tree without waking the entire forest up!! --- I am here: http://tapatalk.com/map.php?tvtbwo