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  1. NebMo Hunter

    NebMo Hunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    currently have some Easton axis 300 spine
    29.25 inches with 50 grains up front with 100 gr head, total weight 509

    I am wanting to switch it up a little, options

    1. remove the 50 grain inserts and replace with 75 grains then use an easy to find 125 heads, possibly risk of damage to arrows by removing old insets

    2. leave 50 grain inserts and move up to 150 grain heads even though cant find any local in stock, risk finding what i want ordering waiting etc

    3. find some sort of weighted washer/shim to add between head and arrow shaft and use 125 gr heads. risk. not perfect fit and possibly consistency issues
     
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    You probably already know the smart answer brother but I'll indulge you. To do it right strip it down upgrade the insert and go with 125. Few reasons
    1. If you ever want to go even higher FOC you can add with a high base number.
    2. You don't have to scramble to find BH.
    3. We both know a Hunter of your caliber having"Shimmed/washered " arrows would eat away at you
     
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    ok, so I have removed inserts before, but they were the basic aluminum ones in super cheap arrows that I didnt really care about.
    These arrows are a little more expensive and Im not wanting replacing several arrows by screwing them up.

    would the best method be a slide hammer type action or indirect heat
     
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    Start with hammer slide technique with a drill bit. Worst case you need to try heat and if you destroy it then it's only one arrow.
     
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    Little acetone might be in order as well
     
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    Or put in a FP and heat it over a candle
     
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    I prop up arrow on something to keep it about an inch above the stove top and set the burner on a medium-high heat. The bond breaks in about two minutes and it doesn't damage the arrow. Note: I do this with an electric range stove top, not a gas one.
     
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    Pull the inserts, replace them with 100 grain SS IW hits and stay with the heads you already have.
    Or better still replace them with 75 grain hits and 25 grain IW collars and use the heads you have....
     
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    Ill try to remove inserts tonight after the kids go to bed, while i have the 75 grain inserts I don't have the stupid hit tool to place them correctly. how annoying
     
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    not sure of your IBO, but you drop another 50gr on the front and you may be underspined.
     
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    NebMo Hunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    its a 2014 bowtech carbon knight
    ibo 335
    pulling 64 pounds

    you think 200 upfront would underspine a 300 spine arrow?
     
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    Over 29" shaft, yes. A bit. Right on the line anyway. You can either bump down the poundage or save your time and ultimately more money by just buying new 125 grain broadheads. And that's not just my opinion, I consulted the Easton Arrow selection chart as well. 300 would be bare minimum spine and while not unsafe I have a feeling you would not be happy with fixed head tuning
     
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    Yeah. You’re flirting with the line.
    If you felt good dropping your weight a few pounds you’d look better though.
    Where you are wouldn’t be underspined enough to be dangerous, but possibly won’t tune as well.


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    so.... buy new arrows and dont tell the wife???
     
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    I’m a bigger fan of do it AND tell her.
    Otherwise we’ll see “you” listing your stuff on the classifieds while you’re asleep.


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    Adding a lighted nock will stiffen it up a tad.


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    Save those for
     
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    I'm shooting a Carbon Knight at 65 lbs.
    I built some 340 spine arrows last year, 12 grain insert with 20 grains added to the back, 125 grain head. Arrows are 26.5" long.
    Bare shaft tuning showed underspined, put in a 100 grain head and nock left went away.
    I definitely think you'll be flirting with the spine if you add the FOC weight you are talking about.
    I also think you'll kill whitetail deer with zero issues with your arrows the way they were...but I'm the same, once I have an idea in my head I have to do it.
    If GT inserts will fit your arrows, you could use their F.A.C.T. system to add weight to the back of the insert rather than buying heavier BH's. Just a thought.
     
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    current plan is pull 50 grain inserts on 3 arrows and replace with 75 grain half outserts
    then use my current 100 grain heads.

    if i like that ill do to more arrows.
    Ite cheaper to add the 25 grains in the insets than buy 125 grain heads for everything.
     
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    Removing HIT inserts imo is just asking to wreck your arrows. I would just by new ones. Maybe just 2 or 3 to start and see how they work. Or try 2 of different spine/inserts.

    If I ever break the Axis I have now (300 w/ 50gr insert), my next arrows will be Axis Match grade w/ 75gr insert.
     
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