Attractant

Honestly in my opinion you can't even make a true comparison of the two as from what I understand lucky 7 is an attractant, while Monsterraxx is a mineral supplement which just so happens to be highly attractive to the deer. I do and plan on continuing to use Monsterraxx for as long as I can legally.

 

Lucky 7 isn't a mineral supplement. Really, the comparison isn't there to be made.

Tom,

I removed the post I made about this before, but I will now say it again. Your group attacks other products. Both mineral and camera. Over and over. I think you should knock it off. I have not said anything bad about your products at all. I simply would not buy them because of your behavior. That behavior started long before I made my first post. And every time I looked for some test people, along came you and your prostaff, asking repeatedly for comparisons when it was made quite clear we wanted nothing to do with it. And you repeatedly attack the Boly Media guy saying his cameras are bad. Badgering him to post pictures (I'm not sure he is in the US even) when with a simple Google search, I found independent reviewers had posted plenty already. No, Tom, you need to stop attacking people.

Now, if you don't like that I tell the truth based on fact, that is something entirely different. And I could not care less. You have made erroneous statements. I have provided the facts so others that want the real facts can have them. I am a scientist, with degrees in engineering and biomathematics. I don't post pictures of a big antlered deer and try to assign that to my mineral product. That's so far from science, it is laughable. Deer minerals don't make deer grow bigger antlers, it does not increase their potential. EVERY study has proven that. However, minerals MAY (I cannot prove this by any study, no one has) help them reach their potential. The problem you seem to have, Tom, is with fact.

You can keep saying salt is bad, but you only gave one (mostly) false statement about it. That salt affects the brain in a way that causes deer to not eat as much. That has one shred of truth: there are salts that will suppress appetite. The main one is methamphetamine (yes, it is a salt). If you are putting too much meth in your mineral recipe, you will likely suppress their appetite (among other things). Sodium chloride, however, does not suppress appetite. In most studies, it has been shown to slightly increase the appetite. But, who cares? Only people who want to bash competing products that contain high salt percentages like Trophy Rocks.

The fact that salt is not harmful is simply a fact. The fact that the 2:1 ratio is a crap shot in wild populations is also a fact. If you don't like that, I am not sure what to tell you. If a mineral is 2:1, that is just fine. In truth, a ratio from 1:1 to 3:1 is fine. Heck, you could go 1:2 if you want, but at those ratios, any appreciable amount is getting unpalatable to deer. If the ratio is off, the nutrient will be "wasted". The animal will excrete either mineral beyond the useful ratio. Since it is beyond our control, who cares?

Now, lets say we have deer and with both wild food and our supplements our ratio is 2:1. Do you think you can just keep pounding calcium and phosphate into them and they will be able to utilize it? NO! Even in the perfect ratio, extra is extra. It is excreted. And unless you have been chasing around wild deer taking blood to test, etc., you aren't supplementing them the "perfect" amount. It would be like giving your kid 10 Flintstone vitamins every morning to make him a 7'3" NBA center. NOT gonna happen. You can't over supplement in this manner.

For everyone reading this, I will always give you the facts. I will not make stuff up or arbitrarily believe unproven sources. And if I simply don't know, I will say I simply don't know. Just realize that the Internet is a great source of information... but a better source of misinformation. One isn't even necessarily lying when they give bad info, they may simply not understand or misinterpret what they read out here.

 

Heck, we haven't even gotten to the fun yet. We can talk about taste and smell perception and the difference among various animals, how to increase beneficial salivary responses, how to make scents carry better, the benefits to deer from simply eating soil, how extra water intake actually helps carry minerals to tissue, the sodium/ potassium balance in blood....

 

Brian I have not attacked the product you are talking about. If someone is going to post that they have the best trail camera on the market I HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK TO SEE PICS, you are beating a dead horse. I have said what I believe a deer needs. Some from my staff had a disagreement with you and both you and them argued. I guess it is only an atack when it is something you dont like. I have not posted in your threads but you continue to post on Monster Raxx threads. You say you dont want a comparison but you keep bringing stuff up. To me there is nothing to compare you are talking about something that you are still testing and you do not even have it on the market yet. I do know that you have to have the last word so I will leave with you with this...are you trying to say you NEVER said anything bad about Monster Raxx or any type of comparrison or complaint about it?

 

Tom,

With all your bullying, you can't come out and make a fake cry of wolf. It is very transparent. My only complaint is your groups behavior. Stop attacking people, simple enough. If you don't like facts about deer supplementation... pound sand.

 

Also, you seem to think this board is your personal advertisement. You guys bring MonsterRaxx and Covert into every post...

 

...gentleman.

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Guys, chill out a bit. Sheesh.

If you don't have thick enough skin to deal with differing opinions, perhaps it's best not to get involved in threads.

People, both laymen and manufacturer are going to chime in, especially when asked for opinions. Whining or getting angry when someone disagrees with you is childish.

Remember, this is the Internet. You can ask 'what do you like better, product A or B'. I guarantee you'll get a bunch of votes for C, D, & E.

FYI, name calling is a good way to get a timeout.

 

I know this is a little off the topic, but..... WATER SUCKS, GATORADE IS BETTER!

 

Perfect for this thread....

They recently did a study and found out water causes cancer...

They pumped 500 gallons into a mouse and it died.

 

All I gotta say is when lucky 7 does get goin an what not its gonna be compared to Monster Raxx. Whether Brian or Tom like it that's how the consumer world goes. I've had this conversation before without comparisons how do we know what to an what not too buy an use. I'm not sayin ones better then the other or anythin just sayin that ya can't complain. An I'm only hearin complaints from one side.

That bein said I know where I stand on these products. An where my hard earned money will be spent.

 

The way I see it any product like these will always be compared whether one is considered an attractant or mineral supplement. Like Fuzz said, it's how the consumer world goes. If one product seems to attract just about any deer but not seemingly provide any link to antler growth it will likely be judged that way. One that miraculously attracts bucks and seemingly makes those bucks grow bigger than usual for the area will be judged that way as well. It's all about perception. While talking about perception, anyone that owns a company and has people posting about their product (whether staff or volunteers) is going to use forums such as these to get the word out. To condemn one for doing the same thing is plain silly.

 

I dont care if anyone wants to compare Monster Raxx with anything else in fact I would prefer that they do

 

Exactly that's my point.

 

There is a time and a place for everything. Independent review sites are great. You can go compare trailcams at trailcampro.com. You don't have to listen to one group pound on the other for demo pictures bashing their product. Or imply yet to be unleashed products contain ingredient lists that "aren't worth my time", etc. Unless you are really obtuse, you know what the real purpose is for that behavior.

 

Good grief.

 

Back to the topic itself....

The difference between attractants, minerals and feed supplements are great. Honestly, as you go in that direction, each becomes harder to make successfully. That's why there are more good attractants than feed supplements. Why? Taste perception.

To not run into people's trade secrets, I will talk other animals. For instance, alfalfa tests on pigs and rabbits.

Individual animals have really varying likes and dislikes. Alfalfa is a popular feed for animals. But it contains a bitter component, saponin. Give it to pigs at levels higher than 1%, and they will try to find something else to eat. However, feed it to rabbits and they will actually prefer it, the bitterness level doesn't affect them up to 40%. They won't reject it at moderate levels like pigs do, they prefer it.

The point? It can be hard to formulate supplements. In minerals, deer are adverse to higher phosphate levels. In feed supplements (deer pellets), what makes them nutritionally superior may make their palatability low. Making attractants, you get to avoid that to a great extent.

Just little things to think about as you choose different items for food plots and what your intentions are. Attracting deer or supplementing them.

 

Look at the first response.... It does end up being frequent on a board once it starts, it spreads. These boards clique up a lot, no matter the base topic.

In any case, I think the mods have hinted this should end now. The main topic is way more interesting anyway.

 

Just to be clear, I wasn't "hinting".

 

So without starting another useless debate between which product is better, because thst does no good your gonns have brand loyalty with anything not jus hunting stuff. What is it in these different products that supposedly helps deer grow bigger antlers? I always jus assumed these products mainly supplemented things to the herd they may not be getting to make them healthier. Maybe this has already been answered in the bickering bacl and fourth but I don't really wanna sift through all that.

I'm jus curious because you see a lot of these products claim to do a lot but where I live your not supposed to use any of these products and we have plenty of big deer running around. So I guess jus asking if these things supplement for something that they are getting here that not getting somewhere else or is it jus a lot of the people that use these products are managing they're herd better and letting bucks mature to they're full potential.

Like said jus wondering after reading most of this thread and some others like it.