This year I'm really looking to up my arrow weight for a little more KE and better FOC. Im going to be shooting Gold tip arrows through a 2008 Ross cardiac 60 lbs with 28" draw. Planning on shooting a 125 grain point, My question is, could i jump up to a 7595 shaft without having to stiff of a spine? Also would screw in inserts be another choice? Any info would be greatly appreciated and correct anything you see in there that looks like it won't be a good idea....thanks, Isaac
What is your total arrow weight now? What size goldtips are you shooting now? You can PM me if you want.
Well right now I'm not really shooting, that's why I'm asking these questions now. I just ordered the new bow and I'm starting from scratch. I was shooting a Fred bear obsession with gold tip 5575 that weighed in at about 350 grains.
I'm shooting a 2008 Diamond Marquis at 56# right now with a 30" draw. GT XT 5575. I think you'd be fine with Expedition Hunters 7595. I wouldn't go to the XT's with only 60#.
Yes i am sticking with the Expedition hunters, they are only 55$ a dozen compared to 85$ a dozen and serve my needs just fine. Last round of arrows i had were the XT's and honestly i see one difference in performance.
I think the 7595 would be a bit stiff unless you were looking for an extreme FOC in the 20%+ range. You should be able to end up with a very good arrow with something around 14-15% FOC and somewhere close to 400 grains +/- with the 5575. Do you have an arrow shaft cutter or do you need to get the shafts pre-cut? Length of shaft will be a factor in getting the dynamic spine correct.
Personally, I would be shooting the 7595 arrows. When you are on the border as you are, I've always gone with a stiffer spine. Also, if you ever want to shoot these arrows at higher DW or out of a bow with a more aggressive cam, you would be better off with the 7595 IMO.
I think you might be more than just a little over spined if you went with the 7595's. What length arrow are you planning to shoot? At 70# 29" draw, I shoot 7595's w/125 gr head & (25 gr I think) extra weight with thier system. My arrow is in the 28" range can't remember exactly. What ever the details are, it worked out to be spot on according to On-target and gave me an arrow weight in the 460 range.
I agree with being over spined, but according to the Gold Tip selection chart the 7595's are a correct fit. I still think that is too stiff though. As mentioned above a 10-15% FOC at around a 400 gr. arrow would be about just right in the 5575's. My arrows are 5575's weighing in on an average at 403 grains with a 125gr head. I'm shooting at 60# with a 28" arrow and they fly great! I'm shooting at 268fps with 64.28 ft lbs of KE. Sometimes it is good to go a little stiff, but not in your situation. That's just my opinion based on a very similar set-up. My bow is a aggresive dual cam also.
Im not really sure what length arrow to get, I will be buying them pre cut. So lets say im shooting 28 inches with a 27 1/2 inch arrow and 60lbs with a 125 grain point. Which arrow would be my best bet, the 5575 or the 7595?
I would think you would need an arrow length around 29" with the 5575. You could go shorter and use a 50 grain brass insert to give yourself a boost to FOC and get the dynamic spine right. I believe the 7595 would be to stiff at even 32" with a 125grain tip. You would need to up your tip weight considerably (brass inserts) to be able to use the 7595.
I'm shooting easton 500's out of 41 pound compound. My draw is 26". I noodled up my spine by cutting my arrows to 29" and putting a 125 grain point on. They weigh 368 grains. It looks funny on the 3d range, but in the woods... the deer aren't laughing. Weights and shaft length should work for you. I don't have a chart to look at tho'.
Well Gold tips sight says with 60lbs , 125gr point and 28 inch arrow im right in between a 5575 an 7595. So im still confused.
If you are between spines go up, never down. I'm shooting a 28", 60# Truth II with Victory 350's (125 gr head, cut to 26 inches approx 410 grains, 14% FOC) and they fly like laser beams. All of the spine calculating programs I have fooled with told me that I am severely stiff on spine... but that's not what the bow tells me.
I'll tell you what...Why don't you call Gold tip and talk to them...I am in total agreement with a few comments on here. You are being given some good advice so now the smart thing to do is take that advice, call Gold Tip and next talk to a local pro shop if you have one that knows they're stuff. Then you will be able to make a good informed decision. It's about gathering knowledge from different resources and then using what you have learned to make a decision. Just remember once the shafts are cut they are cut. I don't know of anyone making extensions right now I agree that it is better to be on the stiff side, but I truely believe the 7595's are out of your league...Too stiff. ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THESE CHARTS ARE MADE TO BE ON A VERY SAFE SIDE TO PROTECT THE MANUFACTURER. The 5575's are your best choice in my opinion. Take it as you may. Good Luck
Thanks for the info, But my local shot is just all about making money and doesn't really take me seriously when i go into talk to them and ask questions. ( Im just a 17 year old kid) Im still on the edge, i won't be getting the arrows till my new bow comes in anyway.
At that draw-weight and DL, a 7595 is quite overspined, cut it short, and you make it even more OVER-spined. For that set-up, keep a little of the arrow length, and load the front up. That's gonna work better. But you can almost ALWAYS get a set-up that is a little STIFF to tune better than a WEAK one.
That is correct...Anytime your shorten an arrow, add less weight, or lower your poundage you are in turn making that arrow act stiffer. It's better to start out stiff, but not too stiff with a longer arrow so you can weaken the spine by adding weight to the front. God I hope this is helping and not confusing you too much. You can also buy weighted systems to control your FOC/ARROW STIFFNESS. They work great...I use them for my recurve because spine stiffness in traditional archery is very important. The spine affects the archers paradox and that is very important when shooting off the shelf with a recurve. Go to youtube and you can see some really good videos on ARCHERS PARADOX. Even though you are shooting a compound it is very interesting to watch and see how a arrow reacts when shot.
