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Arrow weight question

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  1. KidCannon

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    Ok here goes. After doing a TON of research I found for my draw weight that I need a 455 grain arrow.

    The question I have is the 455 grain, just the arrow or the arrow plus the broadhead. Say I have a 350 grain arrow and 100 grain broadhead and the total is 455 is that what is meant. Or is it just a 455 grain arrow, excluding broadhead.

    I'm new to buying bow stuff, I have hunted with a bow a few years back and just used a buddies bow and arrows. Now I have invested in my own I have questions. Thanks for any help but I tend to think about things alot and couldn't find an answer on my own.
     
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    Usually arrow weight refers to the finished/complete arrow. How did you arrive at 455 grains?
     
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    I have been doing a lot of reseach for next year and I am pretty sure that the 455 grain would be the complete arrow including BH, fletching, ect. But I will be interested in what others have to say.
     
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    I came up with my draw weight of 65 times 7 grains per pound. Can't remember the website but it said if you want a medium arrow go between 6 and 8 grains per pound so i choose 7 haha. Dont want it too light as to be like dry firing my bow and dont want it too heavy. so 7 was a good round number
     
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    I think that would be an excellent total arrow weight for you. I would also go with a 125 grain tip if it were my choice. Do you know what spine you need?
     
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    OHbowhntr Die Hard Bowhunter

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    AT LEAST 5 GRAINS per # of draw-weight, unless you have a OLD bow or something. What bow are you currently shooting, and what's your draw-length??? I'll run your numbers and give you some options..... You don't really need 7GPP, not that it's wrong to shoot that heavy because a LOT of guys do, but you don't NEED that much. I shoot most of my stuff between 6 and 7 GPP. Only ever set one bow up under 6GPP and it was a PAIN to tune.
     
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    No clue on the spine. Haven't even got my bow in yet. Ordered it this weekend off this site. And was debating arrows and accessories.

    I have ordered a Martin Threshold. Gonna get it tuned to 65 lbs and 29 inch draw length. Ordered the Threshold cause it seemed to be a good bow for a GREAT price. A 2 year old and a house note in this economy has my budget limited. So I figured after I get through buying stuff for this 200 dollar bow I'll probably end up spending about 3-400 all together and thats plenty for me. Being a beginner and all


    Oh and Thank yall TONS for any help cause I have had so many questions and no answers
     
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    Just ask and there's plenty of knowledgable people here that can help you out.
     
  9. KidCannon

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    Ok then what is a good fairly cheap Easton arrow that would fit into my specifications? Carbon preferrably. I've heard gold tips were good but I'm kinda partial to Easton as I love their softball equipment and even my Son's middle name is Easton. So I'd like to stay in unison haha.
     
  10. DrawrofBackward

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    Don't over think this stuff.

    Native Americans killed animals with sticks and hand made bows.

    I try to get close with my set-up, but I dont spend much time trying to shoot bullet holes through paper or anything. My person standard is to shoot a 4" group out to 50yards and I do that without going through all of this technical stuff.

    My arrow penetrate deer and turkey, just fine.

    Look on the back of the box of arrows you're going to buy. Make sure you're within the range they recommend and you're good.
     
  11. KidCannon

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    Good point. But what if I order the arrows online where the deals are?
     
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    I'm pretty sure you can still access the manufacturers arrow selection guide, online.

    If not, give them a call and ask before ordering.
     
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    Hi Kid. Get on easton's website. Should be good info for you. Each manufacturer has different standards as to grains per pound. Just don't go too light! Lighter arrows can shoot faster, but are not always a good atable flight, heavier arrows will help with energy in ft/lbs in hunting situations. Personal preference, just be careful on light arrows. I shoot a Martin bow that I have had for about 7 years. I shoot 70 lbs at 29 inch draw. I use Easton ST Epic carbon arrows. You were talking about the gold tip arrows. I never used them, but my friend does. He is a very serious archer and they are his favorite hunting arrow. Enjoy your new bow.
     
  14. KidCannon

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    Yeah WV I was looking at either the 340 Epics or the 340 Power Flights. What do you shoot as far as grain wise 300, 340 or what. Since our specs are close to the same.
     
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    Hey OHbowhntr what'd you come up with
     
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    Those numbers refer to spine, not weight.

    For that set-up, you could get away with either a .340 or .400 spine. I'd opt for the .340 spine, I like stiffer spines as they tend to tune better. I think with a .340 spine and a 125gr tip you should be good to go. Leave the arrow a little long, as it will weaken the spine just a touch, and that bows specs really would call for something in the .380 range or so. Check out these if you want a decent arrow for a good price.....

    http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunting/Archery/Arrows-Shafts/Carbon|/pc/104791680/c/104693580/sc/104192280/i/103856580/Cabelas-Carbon-Stalker-Extreme-Shaft/745598.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fhunting-archery-arrows-shafts-carbon%2Fcabelas%2F_%2FN-1100022%2B4294967225%2FNe-4294967225%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_103856580%3FWTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU

    As consistent an arrow as I'll ever be an archer, and the price is RIGHT. Something like these above in a 65/80 (which is a .340 spine) at 30" with 3 blazers, insert, nock, and a 125 tip would weight right about........ 455grains or so..... :D You could opt for the lighter weight weaker spine 55/70's and have them cut at about 28.5" and use a 100gr tip, and come in around 390grains or so which still would be okay at that draw weight in all honesty.
     
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    Ok a 28.5 length on the 55-70's wouldn't conflict with my 29 inch draw length. See I dont know what length arrows I should get either. Sorry for being so green
     
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    Is there an archery shop near you ? Or are you ordering online because you live in a very rural area/far from a shop ?

    If you find the arrows for a really good deal online, but have a shop you can go to, purchase the arrows online and then bring them to the shop to have them cut. They will measure your arrow length while you're at full draw.
     
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    There is a Gander Mountain about 20 minutes away. Guess I could order those Carbon Stalkers. Or some Easton's just dunno which easton to order yet
     
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    You're over thinking this whole thing. I've done that in the past..Now that I pretty much pay for all of my own stuff, I learned to get what I need, not what I want. I also learned that most of this 'tech' stuff and tuning crap is just that.

    Make sure you picked the right spline for the draw length and weight, and then just get the arrows.

    I shot the Easton Epic ST. I like it a lot. Very consistent with my set up, even out to 70 yards.

    All of the carbon arrows you'll find in a shop are good, good enough at least.
     

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