Sounds like you have a good business plan for Gaybucks, it's an opportunity for someone else to fill the need for gay coffee shops. It's just protecting private business at the state level.
This reminds me of a movie I saw a long time ago...umm..Stallone and W. Snipes where if you swore in public you received an instant violation...
I'm all for it Look, I don't necessarily like the bill, or at least what it stands for, as I believe it can be horribly abused and it saddens me that people would discriminate against a person just because of the orientation or beliefs, but I also believe that private businesses and citizens should be able to do what that want if they are not actively harming other individuals or property.
Truth is many "individuals" in the mix go to and from, buy and sell at will. It is the showboating that often gets the publicity.
This started with the baker that refused to make a cake for a gay wedding. They were not showboating, but they did want 2 grooms as the wedding topper. They sued the baker for discrimination.
I think there are some cases where the refusal of service could be harming individuals. That is why I'm fine leaving it up to the courts to decide. If a person making a wedding cake wants to not sell their cake to gay couple; I can support that choice. I can't support an entire bill that is "one size fits all" for every situation that says any business can refuse service to anyone that might not agree with their "religion".
Here is the bill. http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1062s.pdf I am no lawyer but it looks like to me it is pretty "one size fits all". I don't see any specific exceptions or exclusions.
Yeah, I popped back in to touch on that very thing. Just my 2 cents..again. If the guy wanted a cake he could have gotten a cake. Tact and discretion would have gotten it done. Putting a topper on it can be achieved multiple ways. I do not share or agree with these ways, however; if I was the baker I would have gave the guy the option to take the cake and do what he pleases with it or as happened refuse the sale. I was not there and really don't care. It seems like the customer was eager to push a point to the extent of a lost sale. Tolerance.. to an extent.
So someone could still sue the business, and if the business cannot properly prove the basis of the belief, they can still be held for discrimination. I have no problem with this. This basically prevents business owners from putting up "no blacks" signs or things of that nature.
That does help the bill I agree with that. I guess I'm less against it now after seeing that. I still have issues with it.
Where the metal meets the road is when one of the white christian men gets discriminated against in public at one of these business and how they react to it. I have read a lot of chirping on what would happen, talk is cheap.
My stance on the hire and fire is why do you need to disclose to your employer your sexuality or religion I feel this as a crutch for people that really dont want to work. I have never been asked this and it has never come up in a job interview.
I'm going to refuse service to everyone that doesn't hunt to further segregate this country. Why can't they just put up a simple sign or did the lawyers take that away too.
LOL I guess but if they are nice enough to you for you to stick around I wouldnt see an employer discriminating not sure really never lived in a small town since I was a little kid. I can see why some people would get upset I just hate seeing so much crap going in front of a court for no reason but to waste tax payer dollars
I do too. Hate it. But this is the cream off the top when compared to other court cases. To me, this has very little to do with saving money. I addressed this here if you didn't see it. http://forums.bowhunting.com/water-cooler/59364-arizona-bill-sb1062-hb2153-2.html#post873719
