I think it gives them the opportunity to paint us all as paranoid and needlessly provocative. Just because you and I agree that these guys can carry whatever they feel they NEED to protect themselves, that doesn't mean someone's not going to ask them why they feel they need an AR15. PERSONALLY, I think they should have a better answer ready than, "because I can," or, "who are you to decide what I need?" To me, I feel like those answers are simply argumentative, and do nothing to further the dialog or educate the masses who don't understand why we carry. That, I think, is the only way we're going to counter the constant attacks from the left. We need to educate the people who get their information from the likes of Michael Bloomberg. Beating them over the head with "because I can, I have the right," isn't going to stop the efforts to chip away at the 2nd. The nature of a constitutional amendment is that it can be changed, or amended. Until we can bring the average voters around to our perspective through education, we're going to be facing opposition. We're up against people like Michael Moore and his ilk, and they constantly preach that "we want these guns gone to protect your children." Despite the fact that you and I know they're full of crap. "For the children," is a great tactic, because it pulls at people's natural desire to protect the ones they love. We can't counter that with sensational stunts. We need to be better than them. On a related note, I'd like to point out that this is potentially a very divisive subject, and could easily degenerate into a bunch of name calling and bickering. I'm impressed that it's been kept very civil so far. Aaand I hope I didn't just jinx it! Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk 2
That's interesting.... that it has it's on subsection... But it still doesn't give them a free pass to this section:otherwise disorderly conduct under circumstances in which the conduct tends to cause or provoke a disturbance is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. And they weren't charged... they were questioned.... and let go, No rights were infringed upon... I'm with the officers on this one... and I love scary black guns with High capacity full auto machine gun magazines.
I dont think it's that guns look scary or that ARs look scary. I think peopple coming in strapped with hunting rifles, the reaction would have been the same. It's just so out of the ordinary which is why it caused such a disturbance. If it were everyone bring your gun to farmers market day, it wouldn't have caused a ruckus. If it were a gun show, it wouldn't have caused such a ruckus, it was bad timing and bad location. You don't show up to a corporate party with a rifle or shotgun do you? You don't enter a bank, restaurant, hotel with a rifle or shotgun do you? If you're the UPS man, you don't strap a rifle to your back and carry the package to the front door do you? SAme for flower deliveryman, etc. This isn't the wild west, they decided to act out of the social norms. I don't believe that it was because guns looked scary though.
Im all for exercising rights especially when it pertains to the right to bear arms... In my honest opinion though... This was an assonine display to attract attention... Carrying weapons comes with a sense of responsibility and maturity and to me walking into a store with a rifle just because you can is pretty dumb... I guess everyone will have their opinions on the topic at hand but I just feel that the right to carry and defend ones self can be much more constructively executed and not make a display of gun owners that sheds negative light on us when we are already under the scalpel
I see carrying a firearm similar to hunting to were you have a small percent that is 100% for it, a small percentage that is 100% against but majority of people don't mind as long as it doesn't affect or bother them. Is it legal to ride through town with your buck on the hood of your truck, yes.., but that sighting could turn a majority person who was either way against hunting. Same with guns someone that could go both ways on there view of guns sees a person with an AR in the store and becomes anti firearm carry. And will more than likely not educate themselves on the issue they will only look at that one sighting as there whole gun experience.
My case in this isn't antis vs gun rights people. It's just common sense. Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean you should do it. You don't want into the store with a ski mask, you dont walk into a store with a ski mask and a gun and not expect people to think you're crazy and wanting to rob the store. But you have the right don't you?
No, you don't. It's disorderly conduct at best to carry a gun in a store wearing a ski mask. The store owners may have rules against carrying on their property as well. You can not insight fear in the masses just because you think you have a right to. The masses have rights as well. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 2
Then carrying guns around in public is also the same. But I dont think my other post was directed at you.
Disorderly.... Disturbing the Peace... Inducing Panic... take your pick. We all have these laws, and they're typically based on what a dozen (or so) people of sound mind would consider "reasonable". That said, is this what you "rights supporters" would consider reasonable? We live in an age when most whom are seen walking around in public with AR's are usually... no strike that, I do believe we're batting a thousand here, up to this incident -they are in fact on their way to places like schools, colleges, movie theaters, military bases, shopping centers, freeway overpasses, etc., driven by a simple compulsion; to kill as many people as they possibly can. Period. Usually, it's complete strangers... often children. I would challenge some of you to reconsider your stance on this matter. And for the record, the officers handled themselves quite well. If this happened on my shift, in my city, I'd be the first to make direct contact. In fact, I would race their direction.. and you had better believe that the business end of my barrel would be leading the way. But hey, I live in a rather large city, where atrocities occur daily. This is my reality. Maybe things are different in your neck of the woods
Josh- I think a lot of people, maybe even most of them, have at least a slight negative bias toward cops. Well, right up until they need one, anyway. Let's face it, most people only interact with police when it appears they've done something wrong. What most people don't ever take the time to consider, is that police have to deal with the 10% of society who are the "bad apples" FAR more often than the other 90%. Do they usually assume the worst when they walk into a situation? I think so. At the very least, they plan and train for it. As far as whether this is reasonable to a gun rights advocate, absolutely not. I don't believe there's any justification for carrying an AR around town. The only thing these guys really accomplished is to reaffirm why I will NEVER open carry. I can get to my gun and get on target just as fast when it's concealed, and I don't have to be concerned about someone freaking out and calling the police. Sent from my HTCEVOV4G using Tapatalk 2
Even in the wild west, in certain towns, one had to surrender their weapon before entering town. Atleast that's what the movies have shown.
This guy is at JC Pennys shopping. He didn't get in any trouble because he call the police and let them know that he was doing this.
