Apple vs FBI - San Bernardino terrorist situation

Watch the FBI director testifying before Congress when he said that requiring this would set a precedent.

 

I think it hurts their reputation having done this exact thing reportedly 70 times or more in the past. Why are they pushing back now? Because they are trying to perpetuate a lie about their product? I don't see how there is any benefit to the company refusing to do what we all know they can, and have many times before.

 

Did they do it for a Law Enforcement agency, or for other reasons?

 

According to what I find yes it has been for law enforcement and under court orders.

 

Even if that's the case, maybe they decided to put their foot down. Again, why should Apple have to work for government agencies?
Should they open a department dedicated to cracking phones for cops all over the country, all over the world perhaps?
Whether they can or not isn't the point, it's whether they should have to.

 

I agree they shouldn't have to, they should want to. Which is why I ask, why not now after about 7 years of doing so already. What a great marketing tool also. Our devices are so secure that not even the government can get in them without our help.

I can see not wanting to create a tool and just turn it over. And only assisting when under a legal warrant.

 

Yea but, they don't want to. So we agree after all

 

So the way I understand it is Apple has cooperated completely in assisting with obtaining data...what the hell is the issue? Why does the government want a way to circumvent any oversight without asking for assistance?

 

The judge that issued the warrant got taken in by the BS justification the FBI used as the basis of their argument. The arcane All Writs law from the 1700's was written to compel individuals to "assist" the government. That was the only hope the FBI had.

Congress passed laws that said PHONE companies could be compelled to assist law enforcement but they deliberately left out internet service providers and such.

So, the judge erred when he decided to ignore current law and conveniently overlooked that Apple is not an individual. That fact is borne out by another judges ruling that the FBI has not grounds to have someone assist the government by creating and/or using something that does not yet exist.

How can a judge order a company or person for that matter to create intellectual property? And not only create it but use it to override previously created intellectual property. Property created solely in this case by Apple for their commercial use and sale?

I'm not a particular fan of Apple and I certainly don't wear tinfoil hats. Do I buy Apple's arguments on why they are taking a stand now? Not completely. They are trying to protect their investment and I can't fault them for that. Once this hack is created it will NEVER go away-it WILL NOT be a one and done. If it never goes away, it WILL end up with people we don't want to have it.

As for Apple assisting law enforcement in the past, everything I find says that is true-as far as having access to the information requested. They have been a good "citizen" when they are not legally compelled to be one. Apple is now taking the stand that the governments request in this case will render obsolete their intellectual property.

 

I don't believe the court should rule to force a company, I also don't believe a company should refuse to help when they are capable of doing so. Apple can already do this, they have already done many times over the last 7 years. The idea this will render their intellectual property obsolete is a completely bogus.

Apple should unlock the phones when there is a legal warrant to do so, but while doing so, they should be able to protect their intellectual property while doing it by controlling the code to accomplish it.

 

Actually, Apple has not done this. They have not turned off the self destruct code in phones using iOS 8 and 9. They have helped law enforcement gather information where Apple had the access. This is not what is going on here. This case is unique.

The judge has a pipe dream that Apple can create code to ONLY open this one phone. That it would then not be able to open any other phone....does that even remotely sound plausible? That all the phones using iOS 8 and 9 are some how unique from every other phone using those systems?

To take this another step further...say the phones ARE unique they would have to be very similar for Apple to mass produce them. Once this code is created by Apple, law enforcement would then be knocking on their door every time they wanted to turn off the self destruct code. And at last count, there are more that 70 phones that law enforcement would like to get into.

I have nothing against the FBI-they have a job to do. It's just that I could fertilize 200 acres with all the BS they are throwing around.

 

than you could fertilize 1000 acres if you combine the BS apple is throwing around as well.

I can disable the wipe feature on every apple device that is connected to my system without ever touching them, so to think that Apple cannot do it is beyond ludicrous. Yes the code once create "it already is" could be used on any device they wanted to apply it to so I would have no problem with Apple not giving the code to the government instead keeping it themselves.

And sure the FBI, DEA, FDA, IRS would all come calling when they have a device they want access to and as long as they have a warrant with them Apple should unlock it for them. Which would be billed to the government as a service provided.

 

This may make things interesting. ..

France Clears Bill That Could Force Apple to Unlock Terror Data - Bloomberg Business

 

This is why I do not want Apple to comply...

FBI could force us to turn on iPhone cameras and microphones, says Apple | Technology | The Guardian

 

Gere come those scare tactics. Big brother is going to take over your smart TV, smart appliances, connected thermostats, your CAR and monitor what you are doing, or better yet, use them to control your mind.

Even if Apple created this "backdoor" which they already have they just don't want to tell the public, and gave it to the FBI. They can't do **** to my phone because they don't have it. They need to have physical control in order to use it.

I laugh at all the people who worry that uncle sam may be watching what they are doing. Only need to worry if you are doing something you shouldn't be.

 

I had no idea you worked for Apple. Mind telling us more about what other things they have going on, what can we expect in the future?

I laugh at all of the people who are not worried about the security of their personal information.

 

Forcing a private company to comply in this manner would set a terrible precedent. Big brother continues to gain steam.

 

First security rule in computing. The only secure device is the one you never turn on.

Right now, sitting at my desk, I can set password lock, number of failed attempts before a wipe if I even set the wipe option or not, and other settings on any IPhone or Ipad that connects to my system. Whether I can touch them or not. So I guarantee the code already exists.

There is nothing on my phone that worries me if anybody government or not hacked and got a hold of. I don't save bank information, credit or debit cards on my phone. They would get some pictures, my contact list and know I suck at most of the phone games.

 

Do you work specifically with the coding of the iOS system? Just trying to understand why Apple would want to lie to the government by telling them the process does not exist.