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  1. Rangeball

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    Ran into something I hadn't considered since moving to traditional. Last hunt, doe came in at last light and gave me a broadside shot at 15 yds. I drew, went to pick my spot and quickly learned I couldn't see the tip of my black arrow and broadhead :( While I don't consciously gap shoot, apparently I rely more on this visual cue than I had thought. I ended up shooting right on line but over her back :(

    Anyone else have this problem? How do you address it? I'm thinking of putting a white spacer between the broadhead and the shaft, or possibly a wrap of white tape at the end of the shaft, but will have to play around to see what works best and maybe re-calibrate my shooting.
     
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    I, like GMMAT, have learned the hard way to reference the silver ring of my insert, not the point.
     
  3. Rangeball

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    Thanks :)

    I'm shooting the woodsmans on a steel adapter so they are only a tad bit longer than my heavy field point. Both shoot to the same POI.

    I'll mess with the tape or perhaps even white paint on the ferrule of the woodsman at the exact same length as the field tips.
     
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    I myself have purposely gotten away from gap shooting. You always do it to a point. But if you are constantly doing it on purpose, you will always rely on it.

    A few methods to get away from it is, to not draw straight back. In other words, you can draw with a swing down method or just close your eyes while drawing. When at full draw, consciencely make an effort to only focus on your target.

    Another method I have used since daylight is a premium and I don't get home until late is shooting in the dark. I only put a light on my target.
     
  5. Rangeball

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    That's why I was suprised, as I wasn't aware how much I relied on the sight picture until I couldn't see it. I don't intentionally shoot with gap, just pull up staring my spot down, and when things look right let go. I don't ever recall purposefully checking the gap to make sure it was consistent, but it's clear that my sub-conscious does. Live and learn.

    I do plan to go out and shoot at last light soon with a piece of white tape or something on the end of my shaft. Hopefully my sub-conscious can easily adapt :)
     
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    I tried using the end of my arrow a few summers ago while practicing trying to Improve my shooting, didn't work. When I shoot I know my arrows some where In my sight picture but I do not aim with the tip In the least. I'm too busy trying to burn a hole In that spot I'm suppose to be looking at. Of all the animals I've shot with my recurve not one of them do I remember ever looking at the tip of my arrow. If anything I'm using my bow arm as my guide to get me close, the rest Is concentration on my part. Works for me anyway. I do plan on trying that candle trick In the dark, shall be Interesting.
     
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    Believe it or not, most people can do better than they expected. I once put out a candle at a shoot at night, and some people mentioned they never shot that well. Its all mental.
     
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    As long as my broadhead blades arent sticking up in the air to distract me as I'm focusing on my target, I don't notice any difference bouncing back & forth FP to BH for aiming purposes. The ones that do stick up, take me a few shots, and/or more concentration to not notice them. My 1st out hunting arrow is always one that the blades ride close to horizontal.
     
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    Not from 20 yards away it won't For light to be reflected off the top of an arrow, for you to see it, it would have to provide ambiant light from over top or be reflected from over top.
     
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    I thought you guys might be talking about two different things :)
     
  11. Rangeball

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    GMMAT, I think BC is talking about shooting at a candle at 20yds, where it sounds like you are talking about having a candle next to you while shooting.
     
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    Anyone else have this problem

    I have been a BFer for 4 years now and my husband still doesnt get it. I am ready to wait in line in the cold and shop like a maniac solo. On one hand he is telling me not to buy toys for our kids 3 and 5, going back and forth about they Dyson at target and fixing our expensive Kenmore that has been nothing but trouble, and making me worry about money even though I went back to work 6 months ago. And on the other hand he is asking me to get a deal on ridiculous things, like a winter coat for myself. I dont have time to try on clothing on BF Anyone else have these woes? or maybe used to have them but finally got through to SO and how did you do it?
     
  13. VA Bowbender

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    You can try doing this.

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  14. Rangeball

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    Excellent :)

    You came real close several times. How the group look like when you recovered them? I bet pretty tight :)
     
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    Bails-UK Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Great vid Rob , keep meaning to try that myself .
     
  16. Burnie

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    I did notice that problem in my early years. I have become more instinctive due to that very problem. I started practicing at night, with a light on the target and started working on training my body to my bow. the candle trick works, just be careful not to burn your arrow/fletching. I had issues with the candle always goning out. So I just lit up my target and stood in the dark. You will train your body to shot, kind of like training your body to throw a ball. You dont aim, you just throw a ball. You can get the same effect shooting a bow.
     
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    Anyone else have this problem

    Ive trained my hubby. Hes been going the last couple of years. Every year his job gets a little bit more difficult. This year will be a true test for him as I am sending him to Walmart where everyone else will be. I would go but our walmart is right by our house and about 15 minutes away from any other shopping areas and I dont want to waste time getting to the next store. There is a walmart where Ill be but its a busier one. Hell have a better chance getting the things we want at the one by our house. Its all strategy
     
  18. woodsman

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    Sounds like you're taking a big chance sending him out alone.. Hope it works out well for you.. ; )

    Merry Christmas.

    woodsman
     
  19. GMMAT

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    Burnie:

    Preface - FAR be it from me to question you about this....so take everything with a tone of "I wanna understand". THanks.

    I'm pretty sure you use a few different bows. Can you do the above equally with all of them.....and can you switch back and forth without transitional difficulties?

    HOW accurate can you train your body to shoot? Let's use 20yds as the "std"?

    I "think" (in MY head....lol) I shoot "instinctive". BUT.....I'm also smart enough to realize I (emphasis on I) shoot enough to memorize a sight picture for each ydg. Let me give you an example......

    I can achieve proper arrow tune in a few different ways. 1 = added arrow lenght and decreased tip weight. 2 = decreased arrow length and increased tip weight. I can tune each of these arrows to be in perfect tune for my bow.

    BUT.....I know I can't shoot both of these arrows with the same accuracy.....if I switch back and forth. My mind (as stated, earlier) has a sight picture it's become accustomed to. Can I be "accurate"? Yeah. Can I be EQUALLY accurate? No. It would take me a while, shooting each, to gain a level of accuracy I'm comfortable with.....and switching back and forth would frustrate me to no end.

    As of March.....I'll have 2 recurves. My plan is to keep my arrow lengths the same, to create the same sight picture (though the DW's will be different). I'll achieve proper tune via additional/decreased tip weights of the respective arrows. "I" need the same sight picture.......and the couple of guys I know, here, who are OUTSTANDING traditional archers are of the same mindset.

    Again....I ask in an "I wanna understand" tone.

    Congrats on your FINE 8-pointer, taken recently. Another fine traditional trophy.

    J
     

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