ANother reason to shake your head at unions

We have a union here where I work and joining it is not required for employment. I do not belong to it.

 

Bruce I believe that is the way it should work. Totally for it in my state if they make the change.

 

I'm Independent, but I don't see what problem Conservatives should have with Unions giving money to the Democrats. Isn't that the free market at work? What difference is there between Unions who ALWAYS give money to the Democrats, and the NRA who ALWAYS gives money to the Republicans(for the record, I am a member of the NRA and would be a member of a Union, if one was available for my job) Business has the Chamber of Commerce and the Better Business Bureau, and workers have the Unions, in the few Union shops left. I just think some people have a real jealousy of the idea that working people can get fair compensation, something I just don't understand.

 

I know that. However, I know of more than one person that was coerced to either join the union or hit the streets. To me, that is not really voluntary if it is the only work available at the time. I'm sure many of us are aware of the practice that gets largely ignored.

 

Well done Supreme court. This just in.

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Fair compensation is exactly what I would expect. Unfortunately, most unions think "fair" is high enough to drive formerly successful companies to bankruptcy, or move out of the country. Nothing to do with jealousy here. I make more than most union jobs I have ever heard of, except for the overpaid union bosses.

Again, you guys never answer the questions:

Should a union factory worker without a diploma make more than a county engineer? If so, why? Because the union says thats a fair wage?

The difference is, I am not encouraged to join the NRA at my place of employment. Huge difference.

 

How many hours are we talking per week a straight 40?
Why do you care, I can tell you working a line in a factory you can make some nice cash, but you have to work overtime to get it. There is also a quality of life equation fletch. My grandfather later years were not kind. From shoulder surgeries to slowly suffocating to death because of asbestos scaring in his lungs.

 

As far as I'm concerned, if a company is not able to pay a fair wage to their employees, they need to file bankruptcy and make way for a better run company that can. Just because a fair wage is much higher than what most of us are used to being paid doesn't make it unreasonable. It means laborers have been being duped for so long they think it's right.

I can answer the question.

As far as the factory worker and the county engineer, the company still decides who they hire and who they don't. If he is not qualified due to a lack of a diploma, the company should not have hired him, and if the county engineer doesn't like the income disparity, he can try to get a better paying job, union or not.

Regarding the encouraging of NRA or Union membership at a place of employment, if the NRA, Union, or corporate policies proposed at your workplace lead you to being dissatisfied with your job, you can exercise your first amendment right by quitting.

I think the main issue that a lot of people have with Unions is not that they are wrong or bad, but that they support Democrats. Take that away, and I think people of all political stripes would be for it. Who doesn't like to make more money?

 

This has made my point far more eloquently than I ever could have. Problem is, you actually thought you were doing just the opposite. You sir, are a poster child for the union way of thinking. Good luck continuing to make more and more money. I am now done with this.

 

+1,000

 

+1,654,435,735,932,014

 

Likewise, feel free to remain powerless to do anything but be grateful for the tablescraps corporate America sees fit to give you. I think better of myself than that, and if you don't then there's little that can be done to help you. Doesn't bother me.


Misspellings courtesy of iPhone, so sue me. Go ahead, take away my birthday!

 

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

 

Just wanted to let everyone know, I decided to go non union.....I feel terrible that I'm going to get a decent pension, have great medical benefits, and make a decent buck!

 

If you think this has relevance, then you didnt understand the topic and have missed the point. So far you union guys are not doing too well for the home team.

I hope your employer doesnt end up in bankruptcy over future contracts like so many have. I have several retired clients right now that are losing all of their benefits because their union shop went belly up. They are now scrambling to buy their own health insurance. Odd that their own union brothers would put them in such dire straits. But, they felt they needed to make more and more and.................

 

We win contracts from non union contractors daily. have not missed work in 30 yrs. Your distorted view of blaming unions for a company's mismanagement is something I don't buy into. That is fabricated by corporate greed and certain political agendas. Again, There are plenty of existing non union manufacturers, and plenty that would open up overnight to manufacture those products made in China. It's not unions fault.....just corporate greed and the need for our country's leaders to kiss China's ***!

 

It's hard to get one past you! I guess that has never happened to any non union shops or company's. But hey....at least they can rely on Social Security!!! Or invest in one of those fine 401K plans, those things are killer right now!

 

Hey Fletch and Drag, while you two continue to argue points that the other is never going to agree to, life went by and waved.

 

Some of my former union clients would tell you a far different reality. By the way, before they lost all their benefits and retirement, they also believed their union had their best interest at heart. Ask them how fabricated that is.

Claiming all companies that have failed is due to mismanagement is not something I buy into. Sometimes that "mismanagement" is a forced hand by too rich of union contract. Funds for wages and benefits are a fixed expense that is not just an arbitrary number pulled from the air. It is an expense that can put any company belly up. But, I also dont buy into propoganda from either side. Big difference.

 

Is that your nana nana poo poo response. Nice. And that will end me wasting any further time on trying to have an adult conversation with you. Another poster child for the union agenda lives on.