muzzy man i shoot 4 inch feathers on my xx78s and i fletched a shaft with 2 inch blazers to see if they would fly good,and i have to say they fly pretty good with 125 gr broadheads. i will fletch a couple more to hunt with in wet weather.
Muzzy...it seemed like I would bend an arrow either going through a deer, maybe on ribs, or would bend when it hit the ground. Not every time but enough that I don't think I could have shot 4 deer with the same arrow. I wasn't shooting as heavy an arrow as you are, I was shooting 2413's.
.013 wall thickness is pretty thin and are relatively weak and will bend pretty easily. Get into the .015 and thicker and they start to get much stonger. The .017 and .019 are really tough. The xx78 are much tougher than the xx75 and it seems that they only offer the same xx78 material in the target shafts which are limited in size availability and tend to be thinner walled.
Thanks Fox... you never fail to disappoint. Most of the guys who used to complain about aluminum shafts bending were shooting Superlites.
I get a kick out of all the folks who say they bend aluminum's. I have a hard time believing everyone bends them as much as they say. I personally think its the PC thing to say so most say it. I've shot aluminums off and on probably more then most. Only a few 2117's and 2216's have I bent. That's 20 years worth of hunting with them. My only complain with aluminum arrows is their harder to get a high FOC out of and get great flight compared to carbons or I should say the FMJ's that I've shot. Aluminum's have killed for years, they will kill for many more years.
So to a newb here i am surprised they would actually be quieter. This is interesting stuff to me. I added everything up once and i believe my kenetic energy was around 70, if I did it right. What happens with aluminum?
Yeah, I was chasing speed back then. I shot some 2219's but they just weren't fast enough for me,it was all about how fast can I go. I remember the first deer I ever shot with a carbon arrow. Those old bemans with everything on the outside of the shaft. Shot a button buck on the ground at 14 yards straight on, hit him right in the center of the chest and the arrow went all the way through his body and stuck in a tree and was still good. I was sold on carbon. Like I said to each his own, I hope muzzy shoots a pile of deer with aluminum if that's what makes him happy.
I've seen it mentioned here that Easton no longer makes hunting xx78 hunting shafts, that must be new because last summer I bought a dozen xx78 2315's. Like others I have never tried blazers on aluminum, but I did go down to three inch feathers to work better with my trophy ridge revolution rest and those shorter feathers with a right helical do a great job of stabilizing the arrow, even with a fixed blade broadhead.
I agree on carbons. I'm like shultzy in that I really like the foc I can get out of them as well. But like I stated, if shooting thick walled aluminum, they can be pretty tough. My son shot through his first deer with 1716 with a 40# setup @ 23" draw.
Maybe to company I ordered from had a surplus they were selling off, wish I had realized that I would have bought more then a dozen.
you can still find some old stock of xx78s on a few internet sites, but i cant find any of my size shafts.
That is a con which is an opinion...I concur the others are truly a con in comparison but to what degree is tough to say. I personally use Carbon but have always seriously thought about going back for the reason Muzzy states.
I am shooting 500 gr carbons. 75 gr brass inserts with 150 gr magnus stinger and they hit like tanks and fly extremely forgiving with the 20% foc. Have you guys thought about going that route that are thinking of switching back to aluminum?
Having the best for both worlds. Easton N-Fused Full Metal jacket 300.. That's how I whack'm..Kinetic Energy = 86.019ft lbs...
Okay... so wanting to switch AND finding arrows may be two different critters. XX78 definitely seem to be out. Camo Hunters are still in play... but Gold Tips with inserts should duplicate the same weight range... though that would in essence give me a 225 grain broad-head to bring FOC up to 18.2. No more Bemans... I have broken more of them than I ever broke aluminums... I have had three of them shatter at the shot. Someone tell me about Gold Tips and which ones are best. (30"--- 68lb--- Hoyt Protech--- 300ish FPS rating.) The good news is there does not appear to be a tuning issue between carbons and alums, only trajectory differences which magnify after 30 yards. Also... is a bow with carbon arrows with heavy inserts as quiet as an aluminum one that is weighted equally through the length of the shaft?(If this makes sense... maybe over thinking it)
