LMAO!! I had to Google "Earl Gray" to see what It meant. Actually, I hate the taste of tea!! I guess I spelled "tee" wrong.:d
I sort of felt people could inferred the gist Atlas. But your are right. I should have cited the entire quoate. Let me do that So, on the hunt spectrum, where does "I often tell the critter "Business, not personal" fall? At one end, you have "love to hunt" and at the other you have "love to kill". If one hates their job (the act of killing) that much, why would they continue doing it? Is the remorse worth all the money? Keep in mind, there's an admission of happiness laced in there as well. To me, this statement sends the message, I'm sad that I hafta kill you, but I'm gonna take great pleasure in killing you anyway-I need the money Pest. And then toss in What, no remorse, no joy, no resolve...nothing? Jeffrey Dahmer said the same thing about the meat he ate, I'm, sure. That makes me cringe. Just my opinion...blast away!
The experience of killing an animal to me is a long, drawn out experience that involves nearly every human emotion. First, I do get an adrenaline rush when I connect. Then, if I do not see it go down, I soon go to completely nervous about recovering the animal. Then, I feel an overwhelming sense of relief when I find them. Then, I feel remorse. Sometimes, a lot of remorse. At the same time I feel truly thankful. Thankful to the animal and thankful to God for opportunity and the amazing gifts he gives us. I treat the animal with the utmost respect even after the kill. I realize that the last statement may seem stupid considering I cut it up and butcher it, but I believe that most of you guys understand where I am coming from. It is not business at all TO ME. It is all personal. This season taught me a lot about that. It was becoming "business" like, and I had no fun. I relearned in the latter part of the season that FOR ME, if it isn't personal it isn't worth it, and I have been having a blast since.
Jeff, I completely understand where you are coming from. Different circumstances create different results. Bottom line. A few years ago I took a doe that had a compound fracture in her front leg. It was not exciting to me. No adrenaline rush. I did feel a lot of remorse however. Not for killing her, but just for the situation as a whole.
I get very very excited when I make the decision to kill.....and I'm thrilled when I know I've made a good shot.....But the excitement I feel is not the same as say my team scoring the winning last second touchdown....it is a more intense serious but very pleasurable feeling.....When I get to the downed animal I've yet to NOT feel a bit sad for the animal....but it is more a feeling of respect....Hard to explain.....But the over all feeling is a great feeling of acomplishment. SB
What??? Nowhere did I say that crap. What I wrote was straight forward, I'm sorry that you don't get it.
I feel ya Jeff. I forgot about this part. Very true for me. One more thing to add, if I make a bad shot that doesn't result in a clean kill I do feel bad for the critter and take it as a reminder to not screw up like that again.
Jeff, I would say the killing is the "responsible" part of hunting. Responsible in the sense that it should not be taken lightly. The word "business" is very non-personal, at least to me. I think you would agree that hunting is enormously personal. Jim, has hit the nail on the head for me-the whole gamut of emotions are envoked. I will stop hunting if hunting ever becomes business or non-personal. Jim, when you killed the doe, was there any sense of relief? As a responsible person, you did what you had to do to end this animal's suffering, right? Didn't that make you happy? Can a person be sad and happy simultaneously? I think so. I would run the gamut on the bunnies in my yard.
Everyone mentioning ANY rise in emotions whether remorse, joy, glee, adrenaline, sadness, what have you...you are experiencing a thrill. I think it is peoples preconceived notions about what a "thrill" is that has people disagreeing with it. If something makes you get emotional, or gets your adrenaline pumping...it "thrills" you. To honestly feel NO thrill whatsoever when taking an animal whether good or bad, is beyond my comprehension. Like others have said, no emotion or adrenaline at all is foreign to me. Back to the regularly scheduled program, just thought I would clear up just what a thrill is.
Will, I was definitely glad that I was able to end her suffering, but I wasn't happy. I remember drawing the bow back thinking "I don't want to do this" but knowing that I should and really had to. It is hard to explain. I guess that is why they are emotions and not logical responses. Now, I do think that sadness and happiness can be present at the same time. I feel them both every time that I take an animal. I don't know where else in life this happens. At least not in my life.
Christine, You contradict yourself. Let's take another look- When I check traps, I'm excited and pleased to see that I have a catch. Ok, you are excited and pleased. We have established that much. I'm not at all excited by the act of putting a bullet through it's brain. But, you are excited and pleased by snapping em in half-or the act thereof? I actually prefer my catches to be caught in kill traps so I don't have to kill them. But your are killing them either way! In one case you are present and the other you are not, right? Are you not killing them whether they are dead when you get there or moments after you arrive? I often tell the critter "Business, not personal." before I kill it. Do you do this before you set the trap or only when something is still alive in the trap and needs to be dispatched? I would think that if you didn't like the killing part, you wouldn't set the trap in the first place.. There must be something driving you to rig that trap-you like something!
Jim, I agree 100% with everything you have said. Buddy, not in my life either. Let's keep things happy and sad....
Yeah right. I hunt because I like killing. I trap because I like killing When I can't get out in the woods, I buy some goats and shoot them in the yard. I buy minnows and pinch their little heads. I set out poison for all the neighborhood dogs and cats and whatever wildlife is around. Whenever I see a half alive critter in a ditch, my heart races... I run gleefully out of my truck and kick it a few times... then I hit it the head a few times, lightly at first... just so the animal knows it really is personal... and then I crush it's skull. I jump up and down woo hooing and then I do several fist pumps. I love the kill!!! Seriously, if you can't understand my first post. I can't help you.
Christine, I do understand your first post and it's a serious contradiction. You basically said you enjoy killing pests, and that you enjoy killing as long as you're not there to see death occur. You said that killing for you is sometimes business and nothing personal(IMO, without feeling). Moveover, you said that you cringe at the thought that someone could enjoy killing. And yet, I find it funny that YOU are the person setting the traps(it could be a multitude of others). You might not want to kill all the neighborhood dogs and cats, but you have certainly led me to believe that you enjoy killing in one form or another...sorry This isn't a deal breaker. I appreciate the fact that you have given valuable input. I hope to grow from your lesson. Cheers
Sweet!! :huh: Note to self: DO NOT GET CHRISTINE ANGRY! To me, the kill in hunting is the necessary evil. I really don't like killing things, but I realize that it's necessary. I've raised some of my own food.... rabbits, ducks, geese and chickens. I love animals but I realize that they were intended for food purposes in the first place so I did what I had to do. I killed them. I didn't like it but I did it. Same with hunting. I admire and respect the animals but in order to obtain the meat, fur, antlers etc., you have to kill them. It is the things leading up to the moment of the kill that I love. Not the kill itself. Like some others have mentioned, I too cringe when I here someone say "they have a need to kill" or "I love killing". It sounds pretty creepy to me.
Why does it matter to you if somebody else enjoys the fact that they kill the animals or not? This isn't directed at any one person, but more of a general question. How does it affect you? Why worry about it? All I care or worry about is my own feelings, not the feelings that somebody hundreds or thousands of miles away gets.
Greg, Good to see you here... I think a "need to kill" and "I love to kill" are two seperate things. For example, a mt.lion needs to kill to sustain itself. Wolves, on the other hand, kill because they love to kill. It is a fine line we humans walk as ancient predators. There is no doubt in my mind we still need to kill (don't know about you but tofu doesn't cut it for me). Now, the "love to kill",or doing it without feeling...I will agree with you. It's kind of creepy.
I've never said I enjoy killing. A person can enjoy hunting or trapping without reveling in the actual death of a creature. Obviously the starling thing has you confused. Starling = small, hard to hit target + invasive pest. I'm happy when there is one less pest (i.e. starling/rat/weed) on my acreage. I don't care if it's from rodenticide, herbicide, shooting, or alien abduction. I can shoot at inanimate targets and be happy when I hit where I'm aiming. Much the same as I can be happy that I hit the starling I was shooting at. It's not thrill killing. I don't understand this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlJhJ2za60k To each their own I guess.
I'm curious about this statement. I don't see how you can make this distinction between the wolf and the mt. lion? What makes you say that they kill for fun and the cat doesn't?
