You are so far off it's funny - I've actually had a few more than a couple beers . Here's a quote from Virginiashadow, which was the very next post, answering Tony's question that I quoted above: [Yes I am ok with Dr. Kevorkian. If someone has been suffering horribly with an incurable disease or injury, then yes I support a doctor administering medication to end someone's life.] Now please tell me how you can read that post and think that it's referring to the person whose life is being ended.
You are the one who brought Dr. Kevorkian into the conversation, Tony. If the above is the case then perhaps you should have asked if VS had a problem with someone who elected to be assisted in ending their own life instead of asking if he had a problem with Dr. Kevorkian. Maybe?
Good, then its easy to see that you're not thinking clearly. Just like I said above. When someone says Dr Kevorkian I equate that too Kleenex and facial tissue. Its also very easy to decipher it the way I did, knowing that the Dr is not the one making the decision. The only person making the decision is the one wanting their life ended. Think if it like this.....don't blame the gun, blame the shooter. In this scenario, Dr Kevorkian is nothing more than the gun. Now, if the Dr was looking at patients and saying, "you're suffering and are going to die soon, lets just end this now." That would be a different story.
BAM! Even the person who brought the Kleenex into the conversation looks at it the same as me. Have another beer and you'll see it too!
I would have to respectfully disagree. Let me narrow this down a bit. I really don't see how this could be read as a statement that is referring to the person who wants to die.
I know that you'll have to take my word for this Dan, but if I chose to do so I could drink beer, do this all night and still retain a fairly decent level of reading comprehension. I had twenty-four and a half years of practice in the Navy. :D Still, this is beside the point. He said, she said... who really cares? Maybe I should have added a laughing emoticon after my first post tonight. It was supposed to be all in fun.
Agreed.... to a point. The patient decides he/she wants to die, but the doctor (if you can call him/her that) DOES have to decide to inject the medication. It's a direct parallel to abortion in that respect with the primary difference being that with abortion, the one that will die doesn't get any say in the situation. That decision is being made by another person/persons.
Truth! Let us follow the convo, shall we? So I said, and Brett Said, So actually the bold above is where the Kevorkian comment came from originally ... at least in my twisted mind ... and it is twisted, just ask Ben
My only real question to you, not the room, Tony, was asking if I followed you correctly in assuming that you were in support of someone other than God to end a life. Which if I follow correctly, you support if it's there own, but not if it's someone else. Found out some other stuff too, that I really would have been better off not knowing. I'm out on this one.
There is another forum where I post more often and most everyone there and a few here know my story. But I would like some of you to think about it. My mother was 15 when I was born. She was raped at a party by some guys who had too much to drink, all of them from the neighborhood. (Ethnic LA neighborhood. I'm of Nipponese descent.) She was ashamed and didn't tell anyone. She realized a few weeks later that she was pregnant. When she told her parents, they insisted she have an abortion. She refused because she believed it would be wrong to kill the little life inside her. They threw her out because they were ashamed of her. She went to a friend's house and they took her in and assumed guardianship of her. The father was transferred to Michigan and I was born here. My mother could have gone to college and had a really great career, instead of allowing me to live. She worked as a waitress/barmaid in order to care for me. That was ME from the moment I was conceived. Had my mother agreed to an abortion, that would be ME rotting away in a California landfill instead of living my life.
Okay. "I believe a person has a right to do what they want with their body" is the cornerstone argument for people who are pro-choice. It was used in the context of a for-or-against abortion discussion. Your response below shifted the focus of the discussion from abortion to physician assisted suicide. Break it down, Tony. The first part of your "sentence" establishes which group you are referring to. The first eight words "But it's not their body they are killing" has to be referring to the person or group doing the killing, not the person being killed since, again, it's not their body they're killing. The second part, "so are you OK with Kevorkian?" reinforces which group the question by giving a specific, well known example of someone in that group. You WERE the one to write this though, so I really can't say what you were thinking or what idea you were trying to communicate. All I can say is what you actually did communicate. This little side-bar is irrelevant, though. This all started last night with a simple attempt at a little "tongue-in-cheek" humor. Whether or not the "people doing the killing" had been addressed before my first post last night or not doesn't matter. Oh, and Dan... it still reads the same to me this morning. Now maybe we should just close this side-bar and get back to the original topic, huh? :D
You do not follow correctly As did I ... confirmation actually .... I see your side, Johnny .. I really do and I totally understand where you are coming from ... like I said earlier, it was prolly the way I communicated it ....
