How on God's green earth you can try and make these two the same is BEYOND me ... I have sat next to people that were dying and in excruciating pain, praying for the Lord to take them home to end their suffering .... I doubt you have reading your response.... that person wants to die now instead of a week or month from now ... I can understand why they would ... hopefully you will never have to look into eyes like that, Ben... Abortion is the taking of ANOTHER'S life .... Kevorkian helped terminal people end their pain a bit early .... so different ,,,, so your mind is looking like the interesting one to traverse ... at least to me ...
Well i'll be! :D It's wrong, but unlike I was told in the church I grew up in, it doesn't damn you ... that's not Biblical .... I will also say this ... you are young, Ben ..... believe it or not, what you are so sure on now, may change in 20 years ... trust me .... We that are new creations in Christ are still carrying around this old flesh ... the older I get, the more I realize I let that old man speak way too much .
1. Don't make assumptions about what I've seen and haven't seen. 2. Are they not both choice's to end lives? 3. I've not said where I stand on the assisted suicide yet, have I?
Screw it, I may as well jump in head first. How can you compare ending your own to ending someone else's?
It's not really a comparison IMO, unless you are of the opinion that God should dictate life and death, not us.
Seems pretty logical to me. Although I would put it a little more straight to the point. Getting an abortion is conspiracy to commit murder of another. Shows premeditation. Assisted suicide is conspiracy to commit suicide. Inflicting the crime on yourself. I also appreciate the last line.
Since when are we referring to the assistant? No one has referred to the Dr in the abortion discussion, only the mother. Then lets not talk about "assisted suicide." Lets talk about "My life is miserable, I'm on my death bed and I want to die to end this pain suicide." Either way though, its not the Dr's decision.
So what are you looking for? There are plenty of Scriptures about killing or hurting another or the innocent ... none of the top of my head about killing yourself .... So your questions right back at you, Ben ..... In plain speak.......you are ok with someone making a choice to end a life because it's more convenient and might prevent further pain and injustice and you are not ok someone making a choice to end a life because it's more convenient might prevent further pain and injustice.
I beg to differ. See the bottom of page one and the top of page two and you'll see that when assisted suicide was brought into this discussion the reference to assisted suicide was focused on Dr. Kevorkian, not the person he was helping.
Man I miss ShooBee.......semantics. I read that as the Dr just giving the meds, not making the decision. In layman hunter's terms, he's just the gun.
I'm curious, PT. If the second part of that quote is correct then why is suicide considered a "mortal sin" by just about every denomination that I can think of? It's one of the few sins you cannot possibly repent of.
Sorry, but when I read "So you have no problem with Dr. Kevorkian", it sounds to me like the person doing the killing is the focus of that post, not the person electing to die. For the record, for you to compare me to ShooBee is, quite frankly, insulting.
Does not 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 address suicide? "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."
"Mortal Sin" is Dogma ... not Doctrine ... meaning man mad it up because they believe in works for Salvation. Doctrine teaches Faith for Salvation. Jesus either paid for all your sins, past, present and future or He paid for none of them and it is up to YOU to work your way to heaven ... I believe that Jesus paid for all my sins and it is by HIS righteousness I will be able to enter Heaven .....
The Bible says you defile the Temple in speech, gluttony, actions as well ... and we all do that ....
So, we read things different, big deal. When I see Dr. Kevorkian, I only see it as a term that relates to euthanasia. Kind of like calling a facial tissue a Kleenex. So, with that, I'm talking about the person making the decision, nothing else. As for the Shoobee comment. Maybe, like me, you've had a couple beers tonight and the reading comprehension is slipping a little bit. My statement was referring to what he would always say, "semantics." It should have been his sig line during his short time here. Now, if I'm mistaken and you haven't had a couple of beers, maybe you should.
