Why use the term "pro choice" Do those that are so called pro choice not think abortion is taking a human life?
BUT it doesn't survive without being implanted and THAT is the difference. You are not killing it. Your just not giving it life.
If the life began when it was conceived then it began in the petri dish. At that point someone makes a decision whether or not to prolong the life by implanting it in a uterus.
Incredible conversations going on ... I appreciate the respect everyone is showing .... wow ... you guys really got me thinking ....
I haven't read anything in this thread.....I THINK ABORTION SUCKS!!!!!!! I have a good friend who is a police officer and his wife is a lawyer......They are GOOD people but cant have kids. After jumping through hoops for 5 years (here in the states), they adopted a kid from Africa. What a shame....that this country supports and promotes abortion....when millions want/need to adopted. I get disgusted every time I think of it!!!
Your comparing giving life(ivf) to taking life(abortion) That embryo will not make it without someone giving it life,the aborted baby would have made it(if things go right during the pregnancy) I don't see it even remotely the same.
The embryo is already a life if life begins at conception. It became a life when the egg was inseminated, same as if it were in a uterus. I am talking about prolonging that life by then implanting it in a uterus or aborting that life by washing it down the sink. If life begins at conception then it is still a life, doesn't matter if it was conceived in a dish or a uterus, it was still conceived.
I don't think they do ... they will say it is an embryo .. not a baby ... I cant even wrap my mind aroung that type of thinking ....
I couldn't go that route if we weren't able to have had kids. We would have adopted. Is it wrong for others who decide to go that route ?? I feel it is. Killing is killing. Tim
So after reading the process of IVF, I am as against it as I am abortion .... [h=3]Embryo culture[/h]Typically, embryos are cultured until having reached the 6–8 cell stage three days after retrieval. In many Canadian, American and Australian programmes[SUP][citation needed][/SUP], however, embryos are placed into an extended culture system with a transfer done at the blastocyst stage at around five days after retrieval, especially if many good-quality embryos are still available on day 3. Blastocyst stage transfers have been shown to result in higher pregnancy rates.[SUP][9][/SUP] In Europe, transfers after 2 days are common. Culture of embryos can either be performed in an artificial culture medium or in an autologous endometrial coculture (on top of a layer of cells from the woman's own uterine lining). With artificial culture medium, there can either be the same culture medium throughout the period, or a sequential system can be used, in which the embryo is sequentially placed in different media. For example, when culturing to the blastocyst stage, one medium may be used for culture to day 3, and a second medium is used for culture thereafter.[SUP][10][/SUP] Single or sequential medium are equally effective for the culture of human embryos to the blastocyst stage.[SUP][11][/SUP] Artificial embryo culture media basically contain glucose, pyruvate, and energy-providing components, but the addition of amino acids, nucleotides, vitamins, and cholesterol improve the performance of embryonic growth and development.[SUP][12][/SUP] Methods to permit dynamic embryo culture with fluid flow and embryo movement are also available.[SUP][13][/SUP] A new method in development uses the uterus as an incubator and the naturally occurring intrauterine fluids as culture medium by encapsulating the embryos in permeable intrauterine vessel.[SUP][14][/SUP] [h=3][edit]Embryo selection[/h]Laboratories have developed grading methods to judge oocyte and embryo quality. In order to optimise pregnancy rates, there is significant evidence that a morphological scoring system is the best strategy for the selection of embryos.[SUP][15][/SUP] However, presence of soluble HLA-G might be considered as a second parameter if a choice has to be made between embryos of morphologically equal quality.[SUP][15][/SUP] Also, two-pronuclear zygotes (2PN) transitioning through 1PN or 3PN states tend to develop into poorer-quality embryos than those that constantly remain 2PN.[SUP][16][/SUP] More advanced methods of embryo profiling may also be performed in order to optimise embryo selection, as further described in the "expansions"-section below. [h=3][edit]Embryo transfer[/h]Main article: Embryo transfer Embryos are failed by the embryologist based on the amount of cells, evenness of growth and degree of fragmentation. The number to be transferred depends on the number available, the age of the woman and other health and diagnostic factors. In countries such as Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand, a maximum of two embryos are transferred except in unusual circumstances. In the UK and according to HFEA regulations, a woman over 40 may have up to three embryos transferred, whereas in the USA, younger women may have many embryos transferred based on individual fertility diagnosis. Most clinics and country regulatory bodies seek to minimise the risk of pregnancies carrying multiples, as it is not uncommon for more implantations to take than desired. The embryos judged to be the "best" are transferred to the patient's uterus through a thin, plastic catheter, which goes through her vagina and cervix. Several embryos may be passed into the uterus to improve chances of implantation and pregnancy.
I think RC answered this question very well earlier in this thread (#50), which was then followed up by a good response from MP (#51). I thought so anyway. My confusion with IVF is why go through all of the science, health risk and gamble when there are so many kids out there in need of adoption and parents? If people are that desperate to be parents, personally I think adoption should be considered first. The cost and risk is more with IVF and I think it is an area of science in regards to humans that would be better left up to God not a laboratory. I am not judging, I just don't understand.
If I believe that is a life at conception, then you bet I believe there should be a law against it ..... thanks for the new platform, Bruce
I would like to thank those that responded to my posts for a peaceful, civil discussion. I almost did not get in this thread because peaceful and civil don't usually go with discussions on this subject. With that, it is far past my bedtime. Take care.
