Yeah Obama, at what point did God die and leave you on the throne? What an idiot. He has insulted me and our country to the point of embarassment. I guess he is like the redneck chick with the half-shirt, low-rise jeans and the white inner-tube around her waist. You know she gets up, gets dressed, looks in the mirror and says, "Damn I look hot". I guess Obama insults the nation and throws his ignorance around and says, "Damn they love me". What an idiot.
Interesting PT. There was only about half a dozen holes in his speech though.. history stuff. I don't disagree with the man.. but he's a bit too far to the right. If you watch it again.. pay attention to all the presidential names he lists.. it was quick.. but the interesting thing was he named all but 2 (Lincoln and Jefferson) who were Freemasons.
Duke, even as blind as the Freemasons are on certain subject matter, they still knew/know there is a God, and He is ultimately responsible for our freedom, peace, and well-being as a nation. Fill in the blanks with whoever you like, but in the end, our nation was founded, 1 nation, under One God. Some things are questionable, but this is not one of those things.
Did I miss something lately.. perhaps a PM going around where we ALL take what Mike says and turn it into what you "think" he's saying? I never said anything about any God LAE... not once. I even read my statement 2 more times.. and still don't know what you could possibly be responding to me with. I merely commented on the speakers poor history.. people should actually read about things before they begin talking about them.. their is SO much more to every piece of history than what we learned as children. Oh.. and just for the heck of it... where does it say EVER.. under 1 God? And.. since muslims also believe in just 1 God.. doesn't that make you blush? I apologize beforehand if you take this response poorly.. lately many have. It's not personal.. I'm just writing an objective response.
I was not even considering it being in the pledge. It's just a fact "of everyone's history, or being", if you will. I know, and I was not stating that you were referring to God. It's the leaving out of the Freemasons that stands out. It's just their history and beliefs that bothers me. No offense. None taken. Refer to my response above to Jeff. Even if our pledge never said it, Obama should know it, and even more so the citizens of the USA. It really is pretty obvious. They do believe in one god. He is just the wrong one. There can only be One creator. (But that is a whole nother ball 'o wax. Like I said Duke, no offense and none taken. I just really hate it when, of all people, a leader takes our country, out of our country.
The last time I checked.. muslims believed in the same God Christians do. They simply follow a different prophet LA.. And.. I'm not disagreeing in that I can't stand Obama either.. but it has nothing to do with his religious beliefs.. afterall what kind of America would this be if we all had no right in which Creator or prophet to follow. Certainly not the free one (America) we so embellish about. Sorry if the Freemason talk bothers you.. I was just stating the obvious.. and my own fascination with a group who's been (at least) partly responsible for much of the last 250 years of our planets history. You can't deny this.
There are no prophets to follow and I am not so sure what their God's name is. (I refuse to argue this as it is a moot point to be made.) I will have to say, in my opinion, it has A LOT to do with his beliefs. jmho If everyone followed the One True God, our nation would not be in the pitiful condition it is in today. (That, again, is not an arguable thing with me though. Some things just can not be compromised.) Where did we get this "freedom" everyone speaks of anyway? Who came up with the idea that we should be free anyway? The answer to that question is wherein all true freedom exists. Not in our Gov't, nor in our historical beliefs and traditions.
Just like the consititution makes no mention to seperation between church and state. One nation under God was also not there. Our founding fathers did not want a state sponsored religion, but were Christians and God fearing men. Until the day where we as a whole return to God and his teachings, I'm afraid we have no choice but to continue down the road we're on. If your representative or president does not reflect the Bible in his words and actions you have the right to vote against that person during the next election. If you forget what they have done and listen to their rhetoric only you cannot make change to correct the wrongs. "Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to relive it."
I try to avoid these kind of threads but something caught my eye. LA, you made the statement that there are no prophets to follow. I must assume you mean in the Christian faith that we follow no prophets. If this is true I would like to give you a list of prophets the bible lists. JESUS CHRIST, John the baptist, Peter/Simon, Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, and Matthew. There are others. I am sure you can see where I am going. While I don't agree with the muslim faith I do have to point out that the Allah that the muslims worship is in fact the same GOD that we worship. It is an off shoot of Judism, the same as Christianity is. Do I pretend to know which GOD is the correct one to worship. Yes, I do, for me the is only one GOD and Jesus Christ is his son. I do believe that our founding fathers wanted a Christian country and founded this country on the principles of the Christian faith. We also have to realize that at the time there wasn't much call for anything else in Europe or the Americas. Muslims were not the explorers that we were. I will finish this up with this statement. While I have a liberal view, it does not mean I can't see the conservative side of the issues. I also would like to remind everyone that 8 years ago if anyone said anything bad about Bush, we were told to shut up and give him a chance. Keep that in mind and I apologize if anything I say upsets anyone.
The prophets are dead. Jesus is alive. Why should we follow a dead prophet? I do agree we should follow their examples as Disciples of Christ, but to say that we follow them would be to say we are following a dead prophet. Christianity is nothing more, and nothing less than being born again and following Jesus Christ. The beliefs of the Muslims are, how should I say, not in line with the Bible to a great extent. As I said earlier, I am not going to argue religion here. I have taken no offense from anyone here. Some things just can not, and will not be compromised by me when it comes to our Creator. Peace out. Bobby
The Muslims worship a TOTALLY different god than Christians do. The only commonality there is between them and Christians is Abraham. Then you have the perfect picture of the only 2 TRUE belief systems out there ..... Salvation by works and Salvation by Grace. Abraham was told by God he would have a child with Sarah in his old age ..... 1) The son after the flesh - Sarah lost patience and told Abraham to go in unto her handmaiden and he did (doi!). The child of Abtram and Hagar was Ishmael, the son after man's efforts ... the son of the b ondwoman ... born with the intent of created a great multitude after the FLESH. 2) The son of PROMISE or Faith - God opened Sarai's womb after that and she conceived Isaac ...he was the one that god would raise up a antion as like uto the sands of the sea, where no one could number it .... it is thru him that Jacob, and subsequently the 12 heads of Israel come .... and ultimately , Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God .... I am sure you understand that, but I want to make it clear to those that don't ... So you see there is the TRUE salvation ..... The Grace of God sending His only Begotten Son to come down to earth an live a perfect life, without sin, and then to become sin on the cross as God the Father placed the sins of the World on His Son and punished Him in place of all those that will put their trust in Him and Him alone. 3 days later being raised from the dead and showing Himself to many ..... Then the one that most put their trust in .... the WORKS of their own hands .... I will do the best I can do to get to Heaven ... by ignoring God's provision, they end up in Hell because they cant be good enough to get to Heaven .... jesus was ..it's in HIM we have to truat .... not ourselves ... Check this out, guys .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrLzYw6ULYw
I don't have time to argue on this anymore.. but YOU should read the Quran first.. then make accusations on the religion. It's the same God.. only they see it as Jesus was a prophet and not the last one... oh.. and about the bible.. they just follow ALL the prophets and disciples.. not just the one's chosen by the christian and catholic church.
Their God is the same as ours.. they just don't recognize Jesus as an extension of him.. but rather another prophet. And NOT the prophet they follow. It's funny that Christians think their religion is so great.. when they don't follow ALL of its disciples.. like Muslims do. Hey.. I'm Christian too.. but I know when to call my own bluff.
It's NOT the same God, Mike ..... not even close! I HATE religion ... religion is damning people to hell ....I think The Lord Jesus Christ IS great AND the ONLY way to Heaven ....
PT.. I love you.. but it's the same God as ours.. they just don't believe Jesus is Him.. they think he's just a prophet. So.. yes.. in that way it's not the same God..
I have to agree with PT to an extent on this. (The Bible clearly defines "religion", and it is not what most people "think" it is. A disciple was/is simply a person who is disciplined to follow Jesus/God (who is One, and the same). If I follow a disciple and he fails, what good is it for me to follow him? (as so many do) There is only One who has and will never fail. God. If we follow Him, we will still fail at times, because no one is perfect. Nevertheless, He, and He alone is the "Perfect" example to follow/be a disciple of. Sorry. Said I was out, but zealousness eats at my bones.
