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70% of archery shooters have too short of DL

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  1. SharpEyeSam

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    Interesting. I have to check this.
     
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    Shooting form advice seems to change over the years. It used to be locked bow-arm to eliminate muscle fatigue and now most have their arms slightly bent. That requires a bit shorter length, could that have anything to do with it? Did the seminar recommend straight and locked or slightly bent? Curious.
     
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    He advocated a straight bow arm. Not like forced straight but a relaxed straight. He compared it to standing there with your knees bent and the fatigue that occurs.
     
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    That's what I remember learning as well but many shoot with their arms bent now.
     
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    frantic29 Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Depending on which form he advocates with the bow arm probably has a lot to do with it. If I was shooting competition I would probably do straight arm and gain an 1" on DL. But I go for a slight bend mainly to help keep heavy clothes out of the way.
     
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    I don't buy it either, just think of pulling back a long bow/recurve, you can't even pull those back as far as a compound. It's just like any other type of firearm, as long as you are safe and accurate, shoot however you want.
     
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    A bow arm slightly relaxed or straight doesn't make much difference in draw length.

    Try it, I can shoot my current draw length with a releaxed arm or locked. Bent is a different story.

    Haven't seen any coaches recommending bent.

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    Larry wise is one of the best known coaches out there and he also claims most are too short.

    I fell into the short draw length trap as well. That is, until a real coach got me lined out. Increased draw length by 2". I have shot from 29"to 26" . I hunt at 28"and used to compete at 28 1/2" afer getting things lined out with my form.

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    Yes, this speaker was Larry Wise Tfox. He was pretty good I thought.
     
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    Listen to him. He is as good as they come.

    70% may or may not be correct, but that is irrelevant. His message is solid.;)

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    I am assuming that with both arms lined up as directly as possible with the arrow, the amount of strain on the arm, shoulder and back muscles is reduced to allow for a more relaxed concentrated aiming position without straining. I am guessing the strain related to a short draw is a major contributor to target panic.
     
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    Makes perfect sense. One more question... I tried this. With my draw hand in the thumb down position, I felt my bicept. It is fairly tight but when I roll my hand over to the thumb under the cheekbone, I can really feel it tighten. What is the best position (most relaxed) for the release? I am thinking thumb release now begins to make more sense.
     
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    I just added an inch to my DL and I'm still a bit short :busted:
     
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    You will typically see most shoot with the release hand at somewhere less than vertical . Usually this is more relaxed

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    Imo, tp is more related to not knowing how to aim properly and execute a bt release.
    But it is all related.

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    This form is what you will hear some refer to as "getting behind the shot"

    Everything is in a straight line. Therefore, the arrow is more apt to go straight to the spot instead of being influenced off to the right or left.

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    Like because of this thread or you were already working on this?
     
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    Honestly... I aim and my bow just seems to go off at some point and my arrowjust usually goes where my pin is, though I almost never see the arrow in flight.
     
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    Mine is shot about 2.5" because i got it when i was still growing. Im going to go and get a new cam before turkey season.
     

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