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  1. Treestandwolf

    Treestandwolf Weekend Warrior

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    Anybody shooting this arrow weight for whitetails.

    I'm set up at 60lbs out of a Creed , 125 grain ST and they fly great. Just wondering if its enough?

    FOC is good and KE is fine.
     
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    virginiashadow Legendary Woodsman

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    Absolutely enough. Sounds like a great set up.
     
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    Everyone will give different opinions on this...it's an old debate.

    My .02 worth is if you're confident in that setup and accurate with a sharp broadhead then you're good. That said you're shooting about 6.7 grains per pound of draw weight and personally I like to stay in a range between no less than 5.5 and no more than 6.5.

    Deer aren't hard to shoot through but over 6.5 and an arrow head combo will lose KE quickly down range past 30 yards but as long as you get an arrow in the vitals a passthrough isn't that big a deal, the broadhead will do the job that needs to be done with a good shot.

    You're not far off the 6.5 limit I use, if you're good with the way you're shooting there stick with it.

    I'm shooting a G3 at 77# with arrows at 425 finished weight....so right at the 5.5 limit but I like the way it's shooting there.
     
  4. iHunt

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    I'm shooting Black Eagle Arrow Rampages that weigh 440 grains out of my bow that's 70 lbs at 30". The doe I shot with a 2" Killzone entered behind her last rib and exited between her opposite side shoulder and her neck. She was quartering away hard, but I got a complete pass through.
     
  5. Treestandwolf

    Treestandwolf Weekend Warrior

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    This is good info guys thanks, the thought process was a bit more speed from the bow at 60.

    Everything for the past 3 years or so has been a Pikedriver with a 100 grain head, around 480, at 65lbs, no issues.

    This is the lightest set up I've used , just looking for experiences with a 400 grain set up.

    Thx again!
     
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    A 400 Gr arrow is almost always my target weight! It usually ends up weighing a tad more. I always use a 125gr head.
     
  7. Chago

    Chago Die Hard Bowhunter

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    I'm shooting the new Easton Da Torch, super light, thin and straight arrow for a 330 spine its only 7.9 gpi. My arrows are 29", plus 100 grain broad head, insert, vanes and nocturnal its a total of 387 grains. I shoot it through a 70lb 340 IBO speed bow at 31" and it killed a water buffalo. I laugh at the you need heavy to kill crowd. This may be true 40 years ago when bows were a lot slower, today the 60 and 70lb bows shoot at incredible speeds that a 50 grain difference up or down won't change KE a whole lot. I just love the speed and having a super flat trajectory. It makes the longer shots and in between pin yardages such a small difference that I am confident at any yardage. I've chrono my bow at 328fps with this set up. That's fast, oh and KE is 90ftlbs. Please tell me what animal will deflect 90ft lbs LOL
     
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    PSEREVENGEMAN Die Hard Bowhunter

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    60lb/29.5/100grbh/400gr total for years on everything
     
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    60lbs - 25.5"Draw - 130 Muzzy 4 Blade = Arrows weigh in at around 418 grains, its been working great for the past couple of years for me.
     
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    plenty. I think i am at 425ish @ 28.5" & 70 lbs and around 280+ fps.

    My first year i hunted with my current set up with a lighter arrow. It was a little to loud for me. I went to a heaver arrow by 2 gr per inch and from 100 gr head to a 125 gr head. It helped with the nosie and the penetration.. it hits way harder and i am happy with it. Of the 3 deer i have shot with this set up at they have all passed through and stuck in the ground pretty good, from 10-22 yards
     
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    This is false. An arrow will only GAIN ke and momentum as arrow weight goes up.

    The op setup is a great setup. As long as it's tuned properly, it will be great.

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    Test heavy arrows in the inbetween yardages and you'll see that your flat trajectory is no where near the advantage you thought it was. I always laugh at these statements because they just aren't true.:D

    Again, arrow weight isn't that big of a deal for deer, especially from a well tuned setup with a properly matched broadhead for the setup.

    I've used arrows as light as 320 gr and now arrows weighing in at 500 gr and I have almost always exclusively been sub 60#



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    With the great points above, the KE must drop off immensely say at 40 yards compared to a heavier set up, correct?
     
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    Ke and more importantly, momentum will drop off faster as the distance increases with lighter setups but not really enough to be concerned with, especially for whitetail.

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    Let me just say about 15 yrs ago, one of the fastest bows on the market went about 225fps, and people were shooting arrows lighter than yours and tips lighter than yours and took whitetail, elk, bear, and basically any North American animal. I promise you it is plenty for whitetail. Im shooting a bow with a 57lb draw weight, 25 in draw length, 345gr arrows, 100gr tips, and it shoots 250 fps and that's enough for whitetail. Just go to | Easton Archery and type the info in the little bars
     
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    alexjoelslaydon Weekend Warrior

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    just click where it sais Easton archery on that last post
     
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    I personally prefer the flight characteristics of the heavier arrows over the lighter ones.

    Anything in the 410gr range and up do awesome from my lower poundage 28" draw setup.

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    You will be fine.


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    The hoyt smoke had an ibo of 320 from 1996. Bowtech had the black knight in 2000 that had an ibo of 350 I believe.

    Point is, speed bows have been around a long time. The brace heights on those bows were around 5". So that has definitely changed but bows were fast 15 years ago.

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    WOW my pawpaw must be older than I thought, because hes the one who told me that story. I remember he was talking about a hoyt that had the fastest bow back in "the stone age" and it went really slow.
     

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