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2x lens on a hunting sight

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  1. NC hunter

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    Trying to dress out my D340. Right now I'm thinking sight- Extreme 1400 or 1450 with lens. Any of you guys ever tries a 2x lens on a hunting setup. The eyes aren't what they used to be. Been doing ok hunting so far but I like to target shoot with the boys and 25yd and out the dots can be a lil fuzzy while aiming. Thanks
     
  2. Rick James

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    You need a Specialty Archery "Super Peep" sight with a "Verifier" lens in it. A lens in the actual scope on your sight itself will most likely only make the problem worse. Justin and Todd sell these peeps right here on Bowhunting.com

    If your shooting a D-340, you will most likely want the 37 degree Super Peep for the string angle for a shorter ATA bow. Below is the peep body you will want.

    http://www.bowhunting.com/shopping/Products/SandS-SPR-BALL-PEEPHou-37deg-BLK__74937.aspx

    Depending on how bad your "reading" close range vision is....you will likely want a #5 or #6. They make them in powers from #5 to #9, but if your just over the last few years starting to notice fuzzy pins, then a #5 or #6 is going to work. The higher the number, the stronger the lens. I would also recommend a 1/4" aperture for a hunting sight.

    #5:

    http://www.bowhunting.com/shopping/Products/SandS-14-VERIFIER-PEEP-5PURPLE__75311.aspx

    #6:

    http://www.bowhunting.com/shopping/Products/SandS-14-VERIFIER-PEEP-6-PINK__75312.aspx
     
  3. NC hunter

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    Rick the target dots are what is fuzzy, the pins are fairly good.. When trying to focus on "the spot I want the arrow to hit" the target dots are a little blurry. Will the verifier help here? I do wear glasses. Getting older is good but it has it's pains...Thanks.
     
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    If that's the case, you will want a "Clarifier". Does just the opposite of a "Verifier". If your going to hunt with it, I'd recommend the yellow with the largest hole you can find in it.

    http://www.bowhunting.com/shopping/Products/18-APERTURE-W1-LENS__736.aspx

    Another option is that you can always play with different sizes of peep apertures without a lens in it at all, this will often clear the picture up a bit.

    If your looking to only target shoot, a lens on the sight itself isn't a bad thing, but if your fuzzy without one, your almost certainly going to be more fuzzy with one and will still need a "Clarifier" to clean things up. If your going to hunt, a lens can be a real PITA, I've been caught on the 3D course a couple of times with a lens in when it starts to rain, and the bow becomes almost worthless when this happens.
     
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    Or the sun glares off the lens or it fogs or... really a huge PITA for hunting and not legal in some states. Look for a sight that the lens is easily removed from. You could have it on for targets and remove it for hunting. (This works with a single pin scope but not sure about whether it will work for one that magnifies multiple pins...?)
     
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    Lens in sight is illegal in Washington. Be careful about those regs.

    What Kodiak said is right. Blinking water gets into everything!
     
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    Couple questions/observations:

    1. Do you shoot with both eyes open? You could be focusing on one or the other (pin or target) with only one eye open.

    2. I'd worry about debris getting on/in the lens....if it were me, trying to hunt with it.
     
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    GMMAT, I try to keep both open but usually squint left while aiming with right. Tried it both ways, same result fuzzy target. Not really bad but enough it's hard to pick out "the gnat" on the X that I'm trying to hit. I try to focus on the target and let the brain put the pin where it's supposed to be but with 49yr. old eyes it's not as easy as it used to be. Probably would just use lens while shooting target. Would I have to reset pins after removing lens, want to stay with multiple(3) pins if I can. Thanks guys!
     
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    Is your target "fuzzy" when you look at it with your glasses.......and no bow?

    I have no experience with anything other than a 2X lens I played around with for a while. I'm betting you'd have to re-sight if you shot a 4X (or greater) and then tried to remove it.
     
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    If the lens is between you and the pins, no you won't have to resight but if the lens is between your pins and your target then yes, you will plus pin gap will change. On my Viper Sight, the lens lays on the far side of the pins (between pins and target). When I install it, not only do I have to resight, pin gap grows because your magnifying the target but not the pins.
     
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    Closing the other (presumably non-dominant eye) will distort the aiming eye.

    Dummy me, all my life I was forced to be right-handed and as it turns out I am really a lefty shooting right-handed. I didn’t really figure it out until I began trying to do well at 40 plus yards. You can’t force eye dominance.

    First, I abandoned my progressive lenses. I found that small differences in the way I aligned my head to the bow produced differences in point of impact due to variances in the way light was getting to my eye (progressive…right).

    Then I got a peep large enough to see the entire front sight aperture at full draw (including the level).

    Then (this was the expensive part) I went to Walmart and bought a pair of clip-on sunglasses, cut off the shooting eye lens and taped (with white tape) the non-shooting eye lens. What I read said using darkness on an eye still open sends confusing signals to the brain. I tried dark for about two weeks and when I converted to white there was an amazing difference in my shooting eye’s ability to focus. I also can flip the blocker up and out of the way when not needed. The fancy name is "occluder".

    Now, I get a relaxed face (no distortion of the eye ball from squinting) and repeatable results at the target. The primary focus should be on the target and not on the sight.

    Of course, I now look goofier than ever but for me the results were worth the experimentation and silly appearance. My neighbor calls it The Borg Apparatus.

    You get the benefit of about six months’ experimentation in a two minute read.
    Good Luck
     
  12. NC hunter

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    GMMAT not as bad, something about looking thru the peep and sight ??
    That's what I thought Rob. BTW tell the guys in Eugene I'm really enjoying my D-340 it is one sweet bow. Just wish the grip was wood, same size and shape just wood. I've got some burled walnut I may start whittleing on soon.
    konrad I may have to be assimilated..
     
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