Yeah that could work. But would be hard to rate something like vibration. I would think the best thing to do would be take a group of very experienced shooters as well as less experienced ones who might not be as bias. Shouldnt be hard for someone newer to be able to tell how smooth a bow feels and things like that. Idk, its a tough one for sure. I do agree though it would be cool to see.
Got it, you shoot one or two shots (your choice) with glove on. Rate it all but vibration....then take glove off and shoot, re-rate including vibration rating......would eliminate bias BS, or atleast show it when it occurs.
Like everyone is saying for the most part I also slightly feel that I was expecting more. With that said I am not sure if these will be my cup of tea or not. I will def be heading down to my retailer this week to shoot them and see for myself. I like the speed gain in the Chill R but not sure howI'm gunna like the longer ATA even with it bringing more stability to the table. I am smaller guy and like shorter ATA's. For the Creed X, I really like it, other than the reduction in the speed. Looking forward to shooting them though, at this point I am not sure if I am willing to trade in the Heli-m just yet though.
The Chill R has my attention but prefer the MR6 as an option. The 5 remained the same so I am content. Love em or not they make a Great Bow!
Maybe someone should merge all the 2014 mathews bow threads into one? There's like 4 of them going on at the same time.
That's pretty much the cycle they have, I'm not sure why everyone is surprised. I'm betting next year will be a whole new line and the year after will be like this year small changes.
So.. Without calling a bunch of shops, what should a person expect to pay for a left over 2013 Creed or Heli m ??? Approximately ) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
yea they'll still go about the same I believe, but I'm not too sure though. Im going off of my past experience. Last year when I bought my heli-m the Creeds were just being put out in the shop. He gave me a break, if you want to call it that. MSRP was $900, I got mine for $850. Not much savings there but its worth calling and asking at least.
If going to buy a new bow, I like buying in the late spring/early summer time of year. You can get heck of a deal on shops still trying to clean shelves of the previous year models.
Not 100% sure but I think the local bow shop I go to had them at around 850-875. Haven't been in there for couple weeks. Not a huge discount by no means but they'll continue go drop over spring and summer.
Can't say for sure .. Think I have a new 2013 heli m bought for 750 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Man, I missed out on all the fun yesterday since I went hunting. Figured I'd chime in while enjoying my morning cup of coffee... First off, I've said it before but I'll say it again. When it comes to the physical properties of a compound bow they are about as efficient today as they can possibly be. Meaning due to the way the bow works (how it creates, stores and releases energy) there's not much more that anyone can do to make them better than they already are. This is why you've seen most big name bows fluctuate from 6-7.5" brace height, 28-33" axle-to-axle and 320-350 fps for the past decade now. Every year people hope they're going to see something new and/or groundbreaking and it's just not going to happen. From here moving forward, unless someone invents some breaking technology none of us have ever seen, expect all bows to be the same basic specs in a new package. Just like bicycles have two wheels, two pedals and seat there's only so much you can do to make them "better" from year to year. When it comes to the key factors that we all look at (axle to axle, weight, speed, brace height) there's a point of diminishing returns on all of those things. Make the bow too light and you typically have more vibration and more difficulty holding it steady. Make it too short and you increase the string angle too much, but make it too long and then it's too heavy. Make it too fast and you risk a rough draw cycle and decreased shootability. No matter which direction you go it's a trade off and you'll never make everyone happy. Hence the reason Mathews made variations on last year's bows. Now you have 4 really good options to pick from that range from 28" to 33" long, 320 fps to 340 fps, 6 to 7.5 brace height and all weigh under 4 pounds. Seriously, what else do you need? Now I do love the comparison to the Hoyt bows, especially the carbon fiber bows. Aside from the fact that they look different and don't get cold (which I do think is cool) what's the real advantage of the carbon riser? Maybe I just don't get it. They're more expensive than machined aluminum and most cases no lighter. The 33" ATA Spyder weighs 3.8 lbs and shoots 340 fps. The Chill R is also 33" ata, weighs 3.95 lbs and shoots 342 fps. So for all intents and purposes they're the same basic bow with a .15 lbs difference. (That's 2.4 ounces for those of you playing at home). Granted the Spyder does look cool but IMO so does the Chill. I have mine in the Blue Ice color option and I think it looks pretty wicked personally. At the end of the day to each their own. Like everyone says - go to your local dealers, pick up the bows, shoot them and make the decision on your own.
Seeing your comparison between the chill and spyder has in a way changed my perspective. How do you believe the chill R would perform as a 3d bow? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Carbon is lighter and when you add accessories that are utilizing carbon as well, you end up with a bow .5# + lighter. Plus you can add weight where you prefer it. Carbon is stiffer,this creates less torque in the riser, while maintaining the lighter weight. And they are tough as nails. Not all want or need the benefits of the carbon riser but I for one won't go back, unless forced. I pretty much agree with your assessments otherwise. But there will be new groundbreaking technology in our near future. Someone will figure out a way, if they haven't already, to get more from a bow, be it springs or more pulleys, but it will happen. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
And I would be surprised if mathews isn't working on a carbon bow of their own. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
The 34 would be awesome imo if you like the cam design and the higher letoff. Many prefer a lower letoff for target. But this thread is about mathews,not hoyt, justin injected the carbon technology into it. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
But is it really? The Heli-m weighs 3.5 pounds which is lighter than any carbon bow Hoyt makes. Without using a micrometer I doubt any person could tell whether or not their riser flexes when they shoot their bow, carbon or not. While I see the point, in real world application I highly doubt it makes any tangible difference. True, but again is it really a tangible benefit? I've dropped plenty a bow from my stand over the years and I've yet to damage a riser. Short of running it over, which is most likely going to ruin all of your accessories, arrows, cams, etc, I don't see any real world scenario where this is a true benefit. Again, I'm not questioning that there are some small benefits but for the added cost I'm not sure you're getting a whole lot other than being new and cool. Possible, but people have been working on it for years and nothing has materialized yet. Not that it can't, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
