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2011 hunting arrow setup

Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by stuntriders, Jan 13, 2011.

  1. MeanV2

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    3" feathers on the back doesn't hurt either ;)

    As far as heavy arrows I am always killing dirt with 350 to 370 grain arrows, and to me the speed can be the difference between a shot and no shot. A heavier arrow with a larger trajectory is not as easy to thread between the woods. Sometimes that branch up out of the archers sight line is right in the flight path of that heavy arrow.

    I am sure if I still shot Trad I'd use 500 to 600 grain arrows as a trad bow will not transfer energy to a lighter arrow very effeciently.

    Totally different weapons demand much different projectiles for optimum performance IMHO.

    I really made that post for guys that are thinking of new arrows for their compounds. It just gives them something to think about ;)

    Dan
     
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    This works both ways.
     
  3. MeanV2

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    Yeah if you're Blind! ;) LOL!!

    It is pretty simple. An arrow arcing 24" to 30" is harder to shoot through a woods without contacting something versus an arrow arcing 12" to 18"

    I guess you think there are times you can lob it over a branch :rolleyes:

    I guess if we don't tune our bows we might be able to shoot around trees? ;)

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    Nope. Common sense would tell you that a branch could be in your way if your bow was shooting flat or with more of an an arc (dependent on where the critter is standing). Just as much of a chance of either occurring.

    It's pretty elementary, really.
     
  5. MeanV2

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    Your sense of logic is amazing! LOL!!

    I'll take my chances on shooting an animal through the woods with an arrow arcing 12". It is pretty elementary actually, and I think a 4th grader would get it :)

    Maybe someone can take time to draw you a diagram. I don't have time ;)

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    More power to you.

    I'll take my chances taking unobstructed, high-percentage, ethical shots.

    Good luck.
     
  7. MeanV2

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    Hunt field edges then or pack a chainsaw. :)

    The lengths you go to argue something is laughable!

    Dan
     
  8. GMMAT

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    I'm not trying to argue with you, Dan. I'm trying to explain another POV to the heavy/light and/or the fast/less speedy arrow argument. The name slinging doesn't need to occur.

    If you're gonna use the premise that light/fast is "better" - because you can shoot under obstacles in your way......then you can NATURALLY look at that from the other side. A slowER, heaviER arrow may allow you to get shots that the lighter/faster won't. It's common sense.

    My later comment is directed at the notion that you're trying to shoot through MULTIPLE "holes". If you're gonna go that route, then just maybe you ought to instead think harder about your shot selection.

    I'm not arguing at all. It's just not what you wanna hear.
     
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    You Never Do! :rolleyes:

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    Thanks for addressing the point.....lol.
     
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    I agree with that 100% .

    I would like to point out that I have a 4.5" arc at 25 yards target distance with a 530 grain arrow at 260fps. When I run the numbers for a setup shooting a 374 grain arrow at 298fps there is a 3.2" arc at 25 yards target distance.

    I have asked a lot of people and have yet to hear anything that actually shows how a flatter trajectory is better or even needed. For every scenario about shooting under a branch I can give a scenario about shooting over one.

    I don't mind sinking extra inches in the dirt because my arrows are built for, not the perfect shot and pass through, but the errant shot that may hit more bone that I would like. If I could always hit the perfect shot then I may rethink my heavy arrows but I don't know that I'll ever be good enough to count on always hitting the perfect shot.
     
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    I take my arrows and shoot them at deer.
     
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    Steve, I was just checking things in preparation to building my FMJ arrow. I need to get the inserts but, with a 50 grain insert and a 200 grain point on a 29" shaft using 5" feathers I am going to be getting around a 21.1% FOC. This is letting Archer's Advantage do the math but it is usually right on.
     
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    Bruce, what advantages do you feel the five inch feathers give you?
     
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    More forgiveness and control when shooting with my fingers.
     
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    What spine Bruce? Mine are 340's and are 34 3/4th long from the point of the broadhead to the throat of the nock. My arrows are 704 grains. The front end of the arrow has a 100 grain brass Insert with a 220 grain Outback Supreme Fe broadhead. I use 4 Inch 4 fletched feathers. Would you mind checking to see what It says mine should be? I think my FOC Is right around 18 or 19%. I can't remember for sure but I'll check It here shortly again.
     
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    Right or wrong, FOC is something I never worry about. I've never checked it on a hunting setup.
     
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    The program calculates for actual shaft and I am assuming you have the full 31.5" shaft. Anyway, I used 31.5" and get 698 grains total weight, 21.5% FOC. Seems pretty good [​IMG][​IMG].
     
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    Not checking your FOC is just not taking advantage of everything that can work for you :)

    Given the option of a great flying arrow, that has more than adequate penetration capability going 300fps or 230fps I'll take the 300 fps.

    You don't see many varmint hunters using a .458 Mag ;)

    Dan
     
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    May not be something that needs the attention I give it LOL. I imagine, though, when you were having penetration issues with the compound and the rage, that if the FOC would have been around 15% and the shaft spined right they may have gone away.
     
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