i think that the carbon express and the eastons would be the two to choose from. i have heard great things about the eastons and i have the carbon express pile drivers. i was choosing betwen the two also i went with carbon express for a couple reasons. one the aluminum jacket on the eastons might bend and be ruined and they are more expensive.
Steve, The ones I have are 400's JayB22 Gotcha, I haven't seen those. I quit handling Goldtips because of such poor shipping a few years ago. I have heard they are better and thinking of adding them again. Do they screw in the back of the insert before you install it or ?? I have seen a similar system I think by PDP Dan
Dan, your correct. The screw onto the back of the insert before installing. It's too bad you can't take them off or adjust them once the arrows are made but still a nice system.
The FMJ's are going to be set up for my longbow and not all of them will have the insert. I have 200/210 grain BH's that I'll use and then the inserts will allow me to use 100-125 grain BH's. I am currently using different arrows out of my compunds.
That just don't seem right to me having that high of an FOC with only 200 grains total on the front of your FMJ's. I've got 300 grains on my 340's and I'm at about 18%. None the less though you've got a great FOC going there. Nice job!!
If you're going with the HIT brass inserts don't stiffen the spine. The brass insert is so long and sits so far up in the shaft that it effectively shortens the arrow, or at least it shortens where it can bend, so that makes up for the added weight. I went from the 340 to the 300 spine on my Axis N-fused shafts thinking the same as you are and they are over spined.
Jay, you can take the brass inserts out after installation. They make a long tool that goes in the nock end.
Bruce, I wasn't trying to point a finger at you. I think I know you well enough to know that you are more prone to matching your setup for game intended. Obviously with Trad gear weight, & FOC is even more important. I do see a lot of guys get on a kick of heavy arrows with high FOC and use them on everything. I guess that's ok but I just don't feel that it will be the best arrow for All situations and game. I will Not shoot a hunting arrow with less than 12% to 15% FOC with broadheads, and I do think more can be better in some instances. Dan
I think they make a super long hex key tool that you can go in from the nock end and remove or add them as needed (as long as you didn't glue them into the shaft on installation).
Steve, I'll stand corrected I just pulled those arrows out and double checked them (I don't use them often) and with a 100 grain head they are 18.2% FOC With a 125 grain head they are 20.5% FOC Dan
I have that hex tool and I it works with little effort. I can add weight to front or back of my arrow within minutes. I want to go from 400 Bemans to 340 Bemans this year. That will allow me to up my broadhead/tip weight, gain some FOC, and gain more confidence in my arrows as they come out of my recurve. I am also thinking of going to a two blade broadhead.
No worries. I just found these so now I have more options. http://www.3riversarchery.com/product.asp?i=6757-1
Sorry posted before I saw all the other posts about the tool. They also sell a "tool" to install the weights after the inserts have been installed. It is just a long rod with the hex head on the end of it, costs about $6.
Good to hear, I was debating on going with the 50gr weights so at least now I can play around a little and see what I prefer. I never glued them in, but was tempted as I wasn't sure what to do if the weight were to come loose.
Steve, I know you are a trad shooter and that gives you a different goal for an arrow than the normal compound shooter, but something a compound shooter can keep in mind is weight and spine are 2 different horses. A compound shooter does not need as much weight in an arrow to achieve adequate penetration. You can look for an arrow that is correct in spine but lighter in weight and achieve a better FOC using the same components. If you then set them up with getting the best possible FOC in mind, you can end up with a very nice FOC. Dan
I know that Dan, the numbers just didn't add up to me Is all so that's why I asked. To be honest getting a high FOC (20%) out of FMJ's Is tough to do. To comment on your arrow set up with your compound, what ever works for you. I know If I was shooting a compound my arrows would be In that 500 to 600 grain range. That's just me though, weight to me Is better then speed. Like I said, whatever works for you. Not condemning your choice at all.
