2 black labs chasing deer out of my woods today. What would you do?

WOW!!! lol

 

It's a good thing pits don't have their disposition. The breed would need to be eliminated if that were the case.

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tfox, I have had dogs that we put down becuase they are old and wake up with mouth open, ready to attack when startled. We pay the vet $100 to have them put down and then another $300 to be cremated. These dogs are part of the team but they are just dogs and we realize that. Still doesn't help when they pass away over night or die in your arms.

 

That's alot of money for a dog.

We have connections to have our pets put down and disposed of and it doesn't cost a dime. My wife used to be an animal health technologist for a local vet. He takes care of us but I wouldn't pay that. A bullet and a shovel would suffice, afterall, they are just a dog.(to me)

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Let me ask you this. When you shot your neighbors dog did you honestly feel worried for your own safety? When you chose to take the life of another's pet was it necessary or just more convenient. After you shot that dog did you walk over to the neighbors house and tell him what happened, that you didn't have a choice. Did you give him the chance to bury his "best friend" in the manner that he chose.
You may keep your slaves chained in the backyard or in a kennel. That's fine. Shoot it's probably even legal. But this is a discussion on ethics. We all have our opinions of what we believe to be ethical. When dealing with people of different lifestyles opinions can clash. I understand that. However be it your property or not you have the right to protect yourself from harm. I only question the legitimacy of your need for protection.

 

Bones, I shot that dog between the eyes from 5-7 feet. I went and checked my mail, walked over to my neighbors house across the road and talked with him for a min. Then walked over to the guy next to me and told him I killed his dog and it was laying about 200 feet up my drive if he would like to come get it or I would bring it to his house, just let me know. He said he would come get it and I gave him 48 hours before I said the heck with it and buried the dog in my from yard. I thought about throwing that stinky dog over his fence for him to deal with but i didn't.
They have another mutt now and it hasn't been a month since I killed their last dog. People out here don't care, it's just a dog and that's all it will be.
Lets get one thing straight, my dogs aren't slaves bud, they are treated better than most house dogs. They just have more expected from them.

 

I'd give the dogs a free pass and try to figure out who the owner is. I don't want to kill somebody's pet that they love and want at home with them. That being said, I have shot some dogs that were chasing deer on my dad's property. These dogs were starving and were covered in mange. The neighbors had a pack of approximately 20 dogs that they didn't take care of and let run wild. The dogs that came by were bare bones and weren't chasing deer for fun, but rather with an intent to kill because they were hungry. Had they been well taken care of pets they would've gotten a pass, but since nobody cared about them and left them to fend for themselves I figure that I probably did them a favor anyways. Some people just don't need to have pets.

 

Fletch, not sure how prevalent this is across the states but in the inner cities that I live near, pitbulls are the main dog. Not many labs or hunting breeds. It seems that most dog related troubles happen in the cities where the pitbull may be the most prevalent breed.

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Good point Greg and I know exactly what you are saying. I am going purely on the fact that there are MANY times more Labs and other breeds in the country than Pit Bulls. PB's make up a very miniscule fraction of the dogs in our country but they account for far, far more deaths and maulings than most other breeds combined. There are plenty of "good" owners who have had seemingly well trained and adjusted pit bulls attack people for no apparent reason. They just have that little something in their DNA that makes them a ticking time bomb. Not all of them go off, but obviously a scary percentage of them do. Enough that I would never trust one at any level.

 

I didn't forget to understand anything. I agree that kids should not be left alone with dogs. But, pitbulls have killed more kids than all other breeds combined and they make up a very small percentage of the dog population. You wouldn't let a child molester babysit either. It's really no different. Pits are not to be trusted, ever. When they snap, they go all the way. They don't ever quit.

 

The APBT was ment for animal aggression not people aggression. UNTIL, people started seeing a small, fast dog with a no quit attitude. That has no fear of dying and feels pain just like every other mutt but doesn't let it affect him as much. LMAO with a "Locking jaw" (understand this is a joke as they don't lock their jaws, their teeth line up a certain way). Then you had a rush to start breeding the piss out of them and everyone wanted one. Inbreeding/ line breeding is used in ANY breed of dog including labs, GSPs, red bones, WHPs, etc. It's used to preserve traits within a blood line.
It's not the dogs fault they become human aggressive, it's the breeders and puppy peddlers fault. They see $$$ signs from these dogs and they sell them to anyone with $50 to $100 in their hand. I've bought dogs before, normally puppies or yound adults and I've never spent under $800 because I buy quality dogs from quality people. I know how my dogs are going to act with little to no training because of the dogs in their pedigree.
The culling process is used within any breed of dog and we do it in our program as well. Defects, lame, shy or human aggressive dogs get put down. No questions asked, why? Because a few reasons but mostly due to the fact that numero uno, I'm not going to have a dog that can't work and giving it away is not an option due to the breed of dog and crap owners. 2 I'm the one footing the $200 a week food bill so I can do what I want.
I've never sold a dog from our yard and I never will. I don't let just anyone take and use them. I allow a small group of people use my dogs for work only. People on here will say how bad it is because I cull my stock but truth be told, I don't care because I'm the 1% of good owners who loves this breed and makes sure my dogs are held to a higher standard.

Besides the APBT, my wife wants a Lab. Which I protest because she wants it to sleep in our bed and i'm not wanting to fight a 80 lb dog for my spot!!! lol
Just like the APBT, color doesn't matter but I won't be buying them out of the local paper. I've done my research on kennels and should be making a trip around the USA in 2014 to buy a puppy or started gun dog. Before i even purchase a puppy or young dog, I will talk to the owners about their program, run their parents or even hunt with them and see how they act/ work and mess with the puppies to determine which one I want. I will get a female, that's the only 100% thing I know about my future dog. I'll go to kennels in California, up to Dakota, down to texas and all the way go Georgia and Maine. This is not just a "dog" this is an investment and I want to make sure I get what I pay for. I have a price limit of $5,000 but I will only spend that on a fully ready to go dog.
This is the difference between me and my friends and most people out there.

 

What kind of work do they do

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You do not say what State you are in so first I would say to get to know the laws there. Here in Wisconsin it is illegal to shoot someone else's dogs even if they are chasing der. They ruined your hunt for sure but it looked like the snow was not too deep so they likely did not catch any deer but it caused them stress still not good for the deer.

I have had this happen to me as have neighbors. Most of the time the pet owners deny that rover is doing something wrong so now I call the Sherriff if I have a positive idea who the owner is. I was chased by rabid dogs once so I carry a handgun if that ever happens again. Self defense is acceptable. Another time I was riding bike when a dog ran out and bit me; a call to the Sherriff and they put the dog down after testing since it was multiple calls they received about this owner and dog.

 

My APBT's are strike dogs for a few friends down in Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana. It's not legal to use strike dogs here in Arkansas so we make the trip once every couple months or whenever and leave them for a while or forever, depends on how much they are hunting with them or how many times a year they may need them. In Texas, they normally stay for years before i get them back and we retire them (They just live at the house) and send them new younger dogs. It's cheaper for them if they use my dogs and I get to travel and hunt when I want to with some good people.

 

Well, Here's how it works on ''my land'' that ''I paid for with my money and I own my land!''

I don't care who's dog it is. . IF it comes on my land, I will shoot it! . . No passes at all!

I bought my hunting licenses to hunt and I ''won't'' let dogs ruin my days while hunting. . . I have acres of chain-link fence around my property, But I don't have it on my hunting property behind my home. . . Every year while me and my wife are hunting, We see a pack of dogs chasing deer on our land.

I pack a .22 pistol while bow hunting to use in case I see dogs. . And if we gun hunt I'll let the 30-06 do the job, and I kill dogs every year! . . I went through this with a guy down the road, He let his dog run wild and I shot it on my land. . He tried to get the police to arrest me, But they told him there was nothing they could do because it was on my land, And I wasn't ''doomed'' by the dog owner either.

I was told IF a dog comes on my property that I have the right to kill it if I want too. . . And if they told me I didn't have the right to kill it, I would anyway because I own my land!. . . And, pit bulls are on my #1 list to kill, And I won't be doomed by anyone!

I'm not a dog lover, But I do have a Black Lab. . . I keep her locked up on my property and sometimes I let her run my property that has chain-link fence around it.

Where I have my dog lot, My Lab can see the bottom where I have 2 deer blinds. . . She will watch me go in a deer blind and just stand there and look in my direction. . . She won't even bark when a deer comes in the bottom. . I believe she knows I'm hunting for deer, Because when we kill a deer we give her a leg to chew on.

''All dog owners need to keep their dogs on their property, and IF they can't, Then they need to chain them up or get rid of it!''

 

LOL to each their own. Amen on the keep them chained up or get rid of them.

 

Ahh a member of the silver shovel society but seriously, even a few years ago I would have piled any dog up. Just can't do it now. A few weeks ago I hauled some mangy beagle mix out of the woods with me and took him to the shelter. I think I'm getting soft. Except pits, I've got a 9mm hornady for them.

 

a call to Animal Control or the Game Warden .... hate to see anything drastic happen to someones pets...

 

well... seems a little harsh... How about stray cats?

 

Ha Ha on the harsh statement, But its my land and I can't hunt deer for dogs sometimes. . . So I have to take care of the problem!

As for cats. . My grandfather told me once that if a stray cat stays in the mountains, It will go wild. . . So I take care of them too if I see them!

Now, I have called the dog warden a few times to come to my home and he picked up cats & dogs before. . . But, He can't come to the top of a steep mountain to catch them! LOL

I think everyone should at least try and keep their dogs & cats on their own property! . . . I keep my Lab on my own land and I would feel awful if I let my dog run free on other land owners property!

I'm sure the OP didn't see any deer the day the Labs where chasing deer, and his day was ruined! IMHO!