my 20 is dead on. I will shoot a few more today and post some pics. Today is a lot less windy than yesterday so it should be more accurate
That could definitely be the problem then. When you are in a stand, you have to learn over some to hit a target. When you do, you are probably dropping your bow arm instead of bending youbodydy at the waist. If you hold your same form and bend at the waist, your shot should still have the same POI. Next time you practice from a stand, find something to focus on that idirectlyly in front of you at the sam height. Draw, set your anchors as if you were shooting on the ground focusing in that point. Then hold your form and bend at the waist to settle on the target. It takes some getting use to but, it keeps your POI the same. That way you don't have to compensate.
I dont have a problem shooting from a tree stand or ground blind. Never have, All i have to do is adjust my sight for being in a ground blind or tree stand.Thats why they make vertical adjustments on bow sights. Your shooting form should never change reguardless of being a tree stand our from the ground.
I agree w. this. If I don't bend, I will shoot high. Don't change how your bow is in relation to your body, that should always remain the same, so if you keep that in mind, and bend at the waist, this should correct for your arrows going high. The distance does change if you are shooting from an elevated stand, but that change is minimal, and as stated, a range finder will give you the line of sight distance to your target whether you are at ground level or shooting from a elevated stand. Either way, 30 yards is 30 yards.
ok shot a few arrows and here are the results. The first pic is at 10 yards with first pin. second pic is at 20 yards with first pin. third pic is 30 yards with first pin and the fourth pic is 40 yards with second pin. Oh and it was windy out again today so as you can see the farther i go out the more the wind played with it.
If you drop your bow arm and are not bending at the waist, you are changing your form every time you are shooting from an elevated position. Thats why bending at the waist is so important. All I am saying is if you bend at the waist your POI will not change and you wont have to use what is made for sighting in the bow, not compensating for elivation, on the sight. Set it and forget it. Thats what it is made for by the . Not for compensation. If that were the case don't you think that there would be an "elevation compensation" on at least one sight manufactured out there? Not being a smart "A" at all, I promise. If I am coming accross as abrasive, I am not meaning to. I just don't know how else to explain it.
I would still do the same thing I said before and would move the sight ring up a little. For me (and I swear I am not telling you what to do) that is not tight enough. For hunting, I don't see a problem with it at all but, for me and wanting to be competitive when I start 3D shoots, that could be winning or loosing to me. I am also a perfectionist to the extreme. Thats my opinion and only that. Take it as you will. If you are happy with it, I don't see anything wrong with it. Your groups look really good by the way.
that is not true. If you are 18' in the air and the deer is 30 yards away from where you are setting then the angle and elevation of the shot makes that shot shorter than 30 yards. like I said they have range finders that show the angle in degrees and it shows your actual distance and then "shooting distance" which is always less if you are elevated. It may only be a few yards less but that should change your aim point if your bow was sighted in at ground level.
I knew I should've stayed out of this thread, because I get tired of debating this issue. Look up some geometry and then we can talk.
I see what you thought is behind this but regardless of where my ring is i will still have the same problem. If i move my ring up and sight it in again at 20 yards then my 30 yard pin will still be too high because i can not raise 2nd pin any higher because it is already flush with the 1st pin. Stick do you see what i am saying
I do now about the pins touching. I'd leave it how it is then if I were you. I didn't think about your pins touching.
The difference in length is you are 18 feet in a tree with your target 30yd out is only 2.64183 difference. Not enough to be 6" high if you are bent at the waist as you should. a^2+b^2=c^2. The whole angle compensation on a range finder is a marketing ploy.
Ok before this gets misunderstood. I am not saying that the actual distance is different. I am saying that the shooting distance is different. Like Stick said it is about 2.5 yards difference which i know does not sound like a lot but 30+ yards that can be the difference in a kill and a wounded deer that you will not find.
Stick why do we not have the same problem? our bows shoot about the same speed. I guess it is the arrow difference
Here's a crude mspaint drawing of a hunting situation. You will always shoot for the distance the deer is from the tree, that's why they make angle compensating rangefinders. The deer is 30 yards away not 30+....this is also why you can sight your bow in on the ground and not have to change it from an elevated position.
In most midwest bowhunting situations, the distance will not change appreciably, but when you get in the mountains it's a whole different ballgame. The diagram that GAbow drew is basically it. It does matter, but only by a couple yds (again, in the Midwest).
