You'd be just fine shooting your 85 lbs setup at any big game you go after as long as you're all tuned up.
Scott is exactly right. Muzzy makes 100gr brass inserts, I actually use them on my own personal arrows.......I've build roughly 500gr arrows using Victory's VForce V1 300's and Muzzy's 100gr brass inserts. With that said, I'm not sure you can add weights to the back of the Muzzy inserts though.......you may need to go with an arrow manufacturer that has an insert that's drilled/tapped from the factory that you can add weights to. I know Gold Tip allows you to add weights to their factory inserts. You can add as many as you want. If your adding weight, you want to add it to the front of the arrow because this will increase your front of center. This allows you to get more forgiveness in high wind situations, it also reduces planing associated with broadheads, and has also proved to increase penetration when going with high front of center applications above 20%. If you call Justin here on bowhunting.com, he can probably order the weight system for you. 50gr weights look like this.....you could screw together 4 of these on the back of every insert and use lock tite, and have an absolutely killer setup that will kill anything on the planet..........all with a 70lb high energy bow. Also, one more piece of advice..........if your looking for dangerous game and lots of penetration, I'd be looking at a cut on contact broadhead. I would not be looking at a mechanical, etc. Something like a Magnus Stinger, etc........that will absolutely provide more penetration than let's say a Rage, Bloodrunner, etc. If your serious about building a setup like this, let me know and I have an arrow ballistics program that I can run to give you the perfect arrow setup for whatever bow you decide to shoot. If your going to shoot that high energy of a setup, it's going to be very important that you get an arrow that is spined properly, has a higher front of center, and also one that weighs enough to absorb the energy and put it to use. Hope this helps.
Actually, the IBO would require it to shoot a HEAVIER arrow than what a lower weight bow would, and the IBO would likely be comparable to what you get out of lower poundage set-ups. IBO is just a speed rating though. Chill just a little, MOST people here are smart enough to know that there really isn't much need for a 100# bow when you can take a 70-80# bow that is really efficient and punch an arrow through the largest animals in North America with ease if you put the arrow in the right place and have the right set-up (weight, bh combination). You're in the presence of what could be the most knowledgeable group of archers you'll find. You can kill BOTH with a 60#!!!! Ted Nugent has on video more than a few times. As others have said, save your shoulders, get an EFFICIENT 70 or 80# rig, put a heavy "RIGHT SPINED" arrow with it, and tune it well, you can kill just about anything in the world, even an elephant, a lady killed an elephant a couple years ago with an 80# PSE X-Force. Many of today's 60# bows put out more energy than the 80# bows from 10-15yrs ago!!! Efficiency is KEY!!!
Now that I see a little bit more where you're coming from I can add a little more specific information. I've run arrows clean through both brown bears and bison with a 70 lb. bow. The key is to shoot a heavy arrow and proper head, as Rick James suggests. My current arrow is a 560 grain Easton Axis 300 (100 grain Muzzy insert and 125 grain head). When I go to Australia for water buffalo next year that's going up another 100 grains either by gluing another brass insert up into the shaft (Hidden Insert Technology) or by stepping up to a 220 grain 2 blade like the German Kinetics heads. If I decide to bump up the poundage by getting 80 lb. limbs for my bow I may bump the arrow weight another 100 grains again. I'm undecided on that as yet. The benefit of higher poundage is that it allows you to shoot a heavier arrow at the same velocity as a lower poundage bow. The thing about today's bows (of the last 4-5 years) is that they are a lot more efficient. If your current bow is older than 5 years old, you'd be best served to keep your poundage where it's at and get a more efficient, smoother drawing and quieter bow rather than just upping the poundage. The newer bows at even lighter poundage can generate more energy than the older bows could at shoulder tearing draw weights.
I wanted the 80lb limbs for my M7, the guy at the archery shop said, "Why?" with the look at me like Im an idiot. I told him, "because I have a big d***." Seriously, because I want them, thats why! And the program you speak of, its not The Archery Program by any chance is it? I think this is the same one they have at my local shop. http://www.thearcheryprogram.com/ The original Mathews Safari was 100lbs. The new Safari, like mentioned above, has yet to have any specs on the site. So you can only assume that it will also have the same dw. But with a hefty $$$ tag.
Ted is now shooting a 50# set up and has killed Monster Moose in the Yukon, Black Bear and other game. All this past year at 50#. It's all about arrow placement.
I understand that 100lb, 90lb, 80lb might be excessive.... I have always been taught to be prepared, and respectful enough to take down my prize with what's necessary, be it a fish, a deer, a boar, etc.... Although shot placement may be the ultimate factor, being ready with a heavy enough set up gives me peace of mind knowing I'm ready to take down the animals.... Evevn if it means I have to hit the weight room..... p.s. I have great preventive excersices for rotator cuff, and all three heads of the shoulder.....
I saw a 100# bow a few years ago (don't know how old it was, then). If I'm not mistaken, it was a Mathews. This was 2006-ish. It was a hoot drawing the thing. I've grown smarter (though, if you can handle it.....more power to ya). Good luck.
well heck he spends all day practicing (I wish) That man has practiced archery for many years.... I'm not on his level, or on many of you guys on here level.... but I got alittle muscle which doesn't hurt .... ha ha I saw some YouTube clips of him taking down sone nice trophys with a bow
Practice is important. Shot placement is vital. A poor shot placement in a non-vital area of a big game animal with a 400fps 100# speed rig is still only going to wound the animal. My point is, todays bows at 70# shoot with amazing speed and KE (energy). You owe it to the game you are chasing to be proficient enough with it to make clean ethical kill shots. This happens with practice, patience, experience. Spend as much time as you can shooting, even if it's 5 arrows a day. It gets you familiar with your bow and yourself. Good luck!
This a big help, and awesome explanation....I appreciate the help, and will be on the horn a soon as I pull the trigger on the new bow
If you are pulling the trigger on a new bow, I would wait a few more weeks. The ATA show where many manufacturers release their new models for the year is coming up in a few weeks. While many have released their new stuff early to get a jump on the competition, there are still some who are waiting to show their new bows. Also, Mathews is releasing a new bow called the Safari that is supposed to be very high poundage. I must warn you though, it is said to be priced around $2,000.00. Too much coin for me but I figured I'd tell ya.
This is what I got from Mathews on the Monster Safari: -Black only -70-85# only -350 fps (85# with 425 gr arrow) -Will ship the first week of January -33" ata, 6" bh. - New and different grip EDIT: Also they are going to be special order.
If you are wanting to add extra weight you can get up to 400 grains on the front using these BH's and a 100 grain brass insert. I would suggest a single bevel COC for the types of big game being discussed here. http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/Broadheads-C15.aspx
nothing, but no one was talking about you........thats a good set up.....but it made it seem like i am crazy for looking into such a bow.....its not that crazy, there is actually at least a 90lb bow made by almost every manufacturer
I think there have been some great points made in this thread. When I went into a shop to get my current hunting bow I was laughed at. I was even asked if I could pull that much back and like the smart ass I am said give me your highest pound bow and I will draw it. They hooked me up with a tank of a PSE that they said was set at 102# which I pulled back without getting a Hernia. That ended the debate with the shop and my 80# Katera was on order. My Katera maxed at 84# and throwing a 427gr. arrow with around 88-89# KE. I have no problem hunting with this bow, but shooting 50-100 shots on an average afternoon at the Archery Club is no fun after 20 shots. There are bows on the market that can deliver what I am getting with 70# draw weights. As many have mentioned there are advances that have allowed for better performance. The point I am trying to get at is that you should factor what poundage of KE you are wanting to achieve and try to find the lowest poundage setup that will get you there. My next hunting bow will not be an 84# bow if I can pull lower poundage and get the same results. To be honest I stand a higher chance of injuring my shoulder on a cold day with a higher pound bow. I am a former power lifting nut that got back into the gym this year after a four year lay off due to school and a fractured elbow that never healed well. You can do all the exercises in the world to build your shoulders, but if you lift heavy you are more than likely going to strain or tear your shoulder muscles. I hunted with my 74# Alphamax for a couple of days in early October after straining my right shoulder. I fully support your quest to find a bow that gives you the confidence to take big game, but please make sure that you get a set up that isn't going to limit you in the long run. Take the time and find the technology that will get you where you need to be without taking your body to the limit
thank you just gave the type of anwser i was looking for, appreciate the insight..... i am actually a former collegiate pitcher.... the shoulder has always been the top concern.....i currently am tanking a 85lb set up... i am working rotator cuff muscles daily with weights, bands..... prehab as they call it
