Who here gets the virus first?

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  1. Westfinger

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    The reality is nothing is 100% effective and safe. I've done liver transplants on Tylenol overdoses etc. We all have different risk tolerances. Working in a hospital I have seen the ugly side of Covid and despite being a young 50, not overweight, no medications or medical problems I'm ready for a booster. I don't want to take my chances. Currently unvaccinated hospitalizations locally make up 80% of admissions for covid. That number has been trending down from 90-100% patients admitted with covid being unvaccinated. It suggests to me that there is a decline in immunity over time and that the vaccine was helping.
     
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    Curious if you know any numbers on how many of the unvaccinated hospitalized are on their 2nd infection with Covid? I take it you are saying that the vaccinated, via the shot(s), hospitalizations are on the rise due to a reduction of the vax efficacy. By vaccinated I'm assuming you mean they've had the shot(s).

    I've had 2 pfizer shots and have no plans on a booster, I'm just curious to the numbers of hospitalizations from those who have man made immunization vs those who have natural immunization from recovering from the actual virus itself.
     
  3. Westfinger

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    I don’t know the answer to that.
     
  4. Justin

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    I believe even an anecdotal review of the current case numbers seems to indicate the waning efficacy of the vaccines. The massive initial decline in cases happened this Spring during the vaccine surge, and worked very well for a period of time. Now you have a perfect storm of restrictions being lifted and vaccines becoming less effective, which is accounting for the current C19 caseload that doesn't seem to want to go back down to where it was earlier in the year.

    My wife and I both got vaccinated in April. Here we are in October, both sick with Covid. She's currently in bed with a 101.5 degree fever and feels like crap.

    There doesn't seem to be a ton of data out there on this but the stuff I have seen seems to indicate natural immunity is far and away superior to vaccine-only immunity at this point. The talking heads on the news seem dead set on pushing vaccines because "we don't know how long natural immunity lasts", which is comical because we also don't know how long vaccine immunity lasts.
     
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    I appreciate your insight. It sounds as though the expectation is that this could be an annual booster vs a traditional booster you might see with say, Tdap, which is every ten years. I know many compare this regimen to an annual flu shot, but the only reason I get a flu shot is because my wife makes me...it's low efficacy doesn't really seem worth it to me at my younger age. Covid is a different story, but I really would like to see an end game here. Are we really going to be expected to get a booster annually or even semi-annually?
     
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    I'm far from a doctor, but I think it's pretty safe to say that nobody really knows the answer to that question. I'm sure that will be determined based on the efficacy of the boosters and how long that immunity lasts.
     
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    When's the last time anyone heard the phrase "herd immunity"? That used to be the get to point. Now it is everyone needs to get the shots and keep getting them forevermore.
     
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    My personal opinion is that the media, government, and special interest groups have no interest in killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
     
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    I have thought that natural immunity would be better than a vaccine all along for anyone under 70 without preexisting medical conditions. This is based solely on the fact the one of the vaccines (J & J, I think, can't remember for sure) claimed 95% effectiveness. Pretty sure we can call BS on that at this point. The flu shot, which was first approved for human usage in the mid 1940s after nearly 20 years of research that began in the early 1920s is at best 60-70% effective. The flu shot has been around almost 80 years. Even with all the scientific advancements since the 1940s, no company has ever created a 95% effective vaccine for a virus and now we have one in less than 80 weeks? Hmm....
     
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    Is she happy with the result? Would she do it again? Thanks.
     
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    Yes both... Totally. MIL and FIL also had it done. I think the biggest question folks wrestle with is if you get one lens for reading and the other for distance.

    Her Doc, let her 'try that out with a contact in one eye... I think after she had the first lens done.

    Follow the docs orders on meds and moisturizing drops too post surgery.
     
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    I REALLY appreciate the response. I am nervous about having it done. Fake lenses in eyes seems like something that I should not have to worry about for another 25 years, yet here I am. lol.
     
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    Are you calling me and my wife old?

    Its understandable... Surgery of any kind is not an everyday occurrence.

    Surgery is quick and out patient... Need somebody to give you a ride to/fro... Procedure takes minutes per eye, but you'll spend a few hrs for each eye (paperwork, vitals, anesthesia, OR, recovery, etc).

    My wife likens it to cleaning windows... Once replaced you can see really well.

    My wife did have some irritation, post op with one eye... She called her doc who checked, no issues and she was 100% in a couple days. First eye zero issues... Immediately better vision and little irritation post surgery.
     
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    did that with contacts....DID NOT LIKE IT AT ALL!!!!!!!!!
     
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    My wife didn't either... My MIL did.

    Ymmv
     
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    Heck of a dog, where I can I get one? :lol:

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    Dog, doc...'220, 221, whatever it takes'

    (damn spell check)
     
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    NO, not calling anyone old! lol.

    But, my Optometrist told me I will look pretty young in the waiting room. Ha. I will be 54 in a couple of weeks.
     
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    My wife was 54 when she had hers done also.
     
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    Just a bunch of kids up in here.....:evilgrin:
     

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