100 or 125?

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  1. jonderrs7

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    Pretty much what the title says, which do you shoot? 100 gr or 125 gr? maybe even 150?
     
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    I’m shooting 100 grain because that weight has so many selections. If I choose to try different heads, it impacts my setup less with the same weight head, all other things withstanding.

    Since I shoot Gold Tip, I use their FACT system to add weight. In fact, I have 10 grains of added weight to my standard insert.

    That being said, I have heard manufacturers say that the can build a better flying head if they are working from a 125 grain platform.


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    I want to try 125 gr but im not sure how much tuning is involved ? just move the pins? lol
     
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    Depending on what you're shooting, a 25 grain increase/decrease at 40 yards is rather minor pin adjustment.

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    Obviously i will have to test it out but appreciate the insight
     
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    Been toying around with arrow build and was surprised how minor the adjustments are. I'm shooting a 70# Helix at 28 inch draw firing 600 grain arrows currently. 50 grain swing was slight adjustment. Weird thing was the difference in arrows. Victory extortion flew way different than black eagles. Same arrow weight and fletch style. Way different. Just had to play around with it in an afternoon to get it right.

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    The additional 125 grains will affect the dynamic reaction the arrow has. Depending on your bow setup and how well the arrow spine matches that, the added weight could weaken the spine to the point of being under-spined.

    The broadhead geometry (not just the weight) will affect the flight. All things being equal, you’re probably adding more drag by going to a bigger head. Usually, within the same line a manufacturer will increase the blade width or ferrule size. Either means more surface area and drag.


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    It's not an additional 125 grains and drag add is minimal.
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    Right, additional 25 grains, not 125.

    I didn’t attempt to quantify the additional drag. I’m just pointing it out so he understands what effect his choice has. Specifically, to answer his question, I should have said it may be more than pin adjustments. It might be more bow tuning to address broadhead planing, particularly with more drag and at longer distances and with fixed blades. Sure, he may not see much at 40 yards, but I don’t know how far he’s shooting or capable of?


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    Right on. Just speaking from my experience lately. I was amazed at how small the adjustments were in my set up. Still stand by the point you just have to shoot and adjust to see where you land. Adjustas needed but it's not daunting.
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    Absolutely right. Whatever one’s preferred tuning process is what should be applied - sight adjustments, walk-back, bare shaft, etc.

    That’s one of the reasons I like the Gold Tip system for adding weight. I was happy with my broadhead just wanted a little more weight without changing arrows due to spine weakening.

    This year I plan to change heads and arrows, still 100 grain heads though. I’ll start my tuning process all over of course.



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    Awesome! thanks fellas!
     
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    100gr 2inch Schwacker!!
     
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    Thats what I have been using the last couple of years but want to build a heavier arrow.
     
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    I can shoot both and see a very minimal point of impact. At 40 yards I'm only getting 2-3 inch of drop from 40 yards. At 20 yards it's hardly noticed. But I shoot 125 grain for one reason. It's the extra material that is put into the head to bring it up to 125 gr. It makes a stronger broad head and have noticed alot less bent heads. Also the extra 25 gr. Doesn't hurt. It also get better with the heavier heads. It takes more material to build bigger heads, so they are stronger in nature. But like mentioned above you run into problems with arrow tune. You weaken the shaft with the more weight added.

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    Theres an arrow build thread on here. Me and a few others are toying around with a bunch of different stuff for the same reason. Heavy, hard hitting arrows.
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    Have you tried playing with brass inserts you can get different weights to try and see what works best for you?
     
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    No, I havent tried inserts but I might.
     
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    I am currently playing with arrows between 550-650. So far I have not had to change from the 300 spine Black Eagle Renegades that I shot at 470 grains last year. I am leaning towards the arrow at 600 grains as there is little different in POI out 40 yards from last year's arrows. However, I shot like crap the last time I shot at distance. :busted: I am going have to shoot some more before totally settling on that.
     

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