I have had the wide flip top climber for a few yrs now and I love it. Its not as comfortable as the sling style seats, but I will take the trade for ease of standing up. I like to shoot standing and this stand is no different than hunting out of a alpha stand. And of course it's a kpne wolf so the quality and toughness is great Sent from my VS990 using Bowhunting.com Forums mobile app