Killings in California, lets blame the guns.,

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  1. elkguide

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    Agreeing with your assessment. Referring to the poster you were commenting on.
     
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    You can't totally rule out anything. Having said that, I don't believe that these attacks have anything to do with government. I do believe that their are certain politicians high fiving behind closed doors every time an attack occurs. That's just as bad. IMO.
     
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    Lol^^^


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    Guys, wake up. I realize this is a hunting forum but come on. America is the ONLY country in the world providing freedom and relatively unrestricted access to military grade armaments let alone right to conceal and carry hand guns, long guns etc. ADDITIONALLY, America has the HIGHEST statistical rate of mass shootings, far in excess of ANY other country on an annual basis.

    NO guns to not kill people, it is the people that do, HOWEVER unrestricted access to machines designed to kill, more easily permits those with bad intensions to act on those initiatives, regardless of the intent, "terrorism" or other.

    Gun controls ARE needed given the decline in humanity existing in the US and elsewhere. Too many have little regard for life, to many have metal issues (or other), and too many are fantasied by Islamic, Christian (or other) doctrines. Too many are also far too sheltered and need to look at the larger picture in a global context. America has come a long way in the past few years under the current administration to improve its VERY tarnished global image. Lack of gun regulations simply make Americans look antiquated, uneducated and "rednecked" for lack of a better term. Wake up, gun control does not mean you cannot own a gun, it means some (totally unneeded) guns will not be available AND those with mal intents will not get access to these.

    The MASSIVE uphill battle for the US will be dealing with the excess of military grade armaments already in circulation. Changing laws now will still mean there are hundreds of thousands of overly powerful arms on the market. This however should not deter the administration from making a start and a dint in this.

    I sure would not want to be a law official in the US and thanks to those of you who are in law enforcement. I'm also glad I no longer live in the States... the "state" of things is insane.
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    tkarrow Weekend Warrior

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    That would be an infringement on your "freedom" that you are so concerned about loosing in the event of some greatly needed changes in constitution. Don't you see, you can't have both!
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    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    Oh sure the Canadian chimes in, they are always happy in Canada, I mean you have a good economy, your schools rate among the highest in the world, you have access to healthcare and you're a bunch of socialist:poke:


    This video just cracks me up and I don't know why.
     
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  7. tkarrow

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    That would be an infringement on your "freedom" that you are so concerned about loosing in the event of some greatly needed changes in constitution. Don't you see, you can't have both! Country of origin does NOT dictate an individuals future.
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    WOW... yes indeed there is something wrong with this... You just don't get it. If you do not have guns, you will not need them and vice versa.

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    TRUE... things change, people change and as a result, laws also need to change... in this case it is gun laws. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE GUNS, YOU CAN NOT USE THEM and YES, knives, forks, spoons and pencils can also be used to kill BUT the number killed with such ease will be GREATLY reduced making for a MUCH SAFER society. It is not more guns in the populous that will solve this, and thankfully there are some reasonable people in politics trying to make positive decisions for those set on "the old ways".
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    "I won't bring up their religion, either, I'm sure most know where I stand on that"

    You sound rather fanatical... perhaps that too is a part of the problem? If there was less emphasis on pointing out differences, we might all see how similar we are regardless of beliefs and consequently be more accepting of one another.

    The world has and is changing. Society and laws that govern society need to evolve or failure of the system will ensue. America and Americans are no longer isolated by political borders in a global economy... ideologies need to change to accommodate this.

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    A very predictable response, constructive criticism is often hard to interpret and accommodate; attempts at "humour", sarcasm, ridicule and the like, are often the result. Clearly no person, place or ideology is perfect and thinking that one is, simply illustrates imperfection. The fact of the matter is, changes happen, failing to adapt leads to loss, failure or whatever you want to call it. The current gun laws are antiquated, and no longer reflect societal needs... much like our climate change laws, our educational system etc. etc. which thankfully we are changing to meet evolving needs.
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    Antiquated gun rights? I know as a casual observer you may feel that the US constitution is a meaningless document considering the way the current president treats it but the right to bear arms shall not be changed. Please refrain from trying to tell us how we should do it in the US.
     
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    Tell that to the victims of SB that didn't have anything to defend themselves with.

    My installation is open, anyone with a drivers license can access it. Just because it is a federal installation where firearms are against regulations does not give me a "warm fuzzy feeling" inside since we know, the bad guys ALWAYS follow the rules, right?

    I'm really not worried about the typical media mass shooting spectacle...the stereotypical loner, pasty white guy looking for attention...I have genuine concerns for more lone wolf terrorist attacks as the war against ISIS continues to be waged. Hell, if my base won't allow the federal civilians to be armed, at least allow the Sailors and Marines stationed here to be...at least that would raise my comfort level.

    Nope, we continue to allow ourselves to be a soft target because "gun free zones" are so effective.

    I "GET IT" just fine...I'm living in the real world and you apparently are living in a fantasy world.
     
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    I don't need a gun, I'd be happy dragging your socialist *** behind a mule for a good fifty miles...that antiquated, uneducated and redneck enough for ya?
    https://youtu.be/bWbzwc1_OUE
     
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    Sorta, I rarely have the time, but it is vital to consider differing viewpoints in the face of change.

    The US constitution, like any legal document (including ours) is one based on the state of affairs when established. It like everything requires, continual dialogue, consultation, and review. Part of this process is observing others, learning from them and adopting best practices continually moving forward in a responsive fashion. In light of statistics, trends and societal shifts, the current president is on the right track by opening debate and being open to change.
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    Your response indicates something to the contrary.
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    Sota Legendary Woodsman

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    Love that video Covey
     
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    Sota Legendary Woodsman

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    Says the guys who's country prides it's ability to suck the life blood out of a maple tree so their pancakes taste better.
     
  19. tkarrow

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    Also a very typical and sadly expected response. I am a realist, not a socialist per se.
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    remmett70 Die Hard Bowhunter

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    The great thing about the 2nd amendment is it was written so it always current with the times. The authors had seen firearms change and knew they would in the future so they wrote it so no matter what the "firearm" of the day is, it will be covered.
     

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