Who here gets the virus first?

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  1. picman

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    I'm in that same boat. I'm about ready to go lick some doorknobs soon if that's what it takes to get my "booster".

    Although a co-worker's aunt is in the hospital right now and is pretty sick, and she's fully vaxxed.
     
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    I get your overall point, but your average GP is a complete pompous moron. I will trust a chiropractor with a successful general health and wellness clinic over pretty much any GP I have ever been to. I have never been to a GP was wasn't more than a glorified legal drug dealer. Ever. I'm sure some are out there, but they are few and far between and I don't have time to drive all over hell's half acre to find them.

    High blood pressure? Here, take this BigPharma® script. Got a sinus infection? Z pak. Sinus headache? Have some Tylenol with codeine. Respiratory virus? Cough syrup with codeine and a Z pak (antibiotics for a viral infection is a no-no).

    They pretty much all suck.

    Sure, this guy wants clients and to sell a book, but literally nothing he advocates as a matter of practice is unhealthy in any way. He is obviously well educated on blood work analysis, and unlike any GP I have ever been to actually spoke intelligently about what the actual functions of the components are; what appropriate levels should be, and why this patient's levels are concerning. He spoke on this at least as intelligently as a hematologist, which is a specialty with which I am unfortunately too familiar. I have read up on a lot of this myself both when dealing with close family's health conditions, and also in preparation for my lawsuit (be an informed plaintiff,) and everything he is saying checks out from a medically functional perspective.

    So while I 'grabbed on' to this guy's video, it's only because it crystallized a very concise and easy to follow specific and recent case study which mirrors dozens of other larger cases and studies I have read on my own (some of which 317 also frequently will post.) A lot of those admittedly have hard to verify sourcing; so at least in this instance there appears to be parallel information.

    As he even admits, his study is comprised of one specific subject and there could be underlying issues of which he is not aware. However, the data from this patient is a very compelling evidence of what is being reported elsewhere.
     
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    This is the other part (or anything medical) that bothers me...

    "Pfizer, along with its German partner BioNTech , and Moderna have together locked up over $60 billion in sales of the shots just in 2021 and 2022"

    Sixty BILLION.

    Just like cancer and other indepth illnesses - pharmaceuticals just out to make money.
     
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    That is a pretty bold and wild assumption on your part to assert that people that don't trust these non-vaccines will only use one piece of information to form their decision on it without doing further research. I'm sure that more people than not, that are against the "vaccine" do quite a bit more research. As a matter of fact I believe that most would view this as only one piece of the puzzle.

    Secondly, there are a lot of ( according to you) anti-vaxxers that don't push their beliefs on others. Their main concern is the well being of themselves and those that are close to them. There are some that will push their beliefs on others as well.

    The trouble with all of this is when the government is trying to push their beliefs on everyone. Especially with something this personal.

    With this administrations track record I don't think that I could trust them with anything.
     
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    An assumption? Yes. Bold and wild? Far from it.

    Speaking of assumptions. :lol:

    I don't put a lot of stock in any administration, but let's not forget which one this vaccine started under.
     
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    Can I point out that there is a significant difference in Anti-Vax compared to Anti-Vax mandate.
     
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    I’m not understanding the shot thing. You can still get it and still spread it . I personally know several people who have gotten Covid after being “fully vaccinated” Still ended up in the hospital. One passed away as well. Also know one more who got the shot and passed from blood clots. Out of all the folks I know who gotten Covid after the shot was sick just as long as the ones who didn’t.

    One thing I know for a fact, if you end up in the hospital. PLEASE do not let them give you remdesivir. Your kidneys will shut down. You will get even worse off that you were. If you don’t believe me, just simply search that Medication. We’ve had a large amount of nurses leave our hospital because that’s all the doctors will treat it with here. Hydroxychloriquin or how you spell it lol. Had a much better effect of treating it. Now they won’t prescribe it. BTW, I hate both political parties….lol. Left wing or Right wing still from the same dirty bird. All government sucks lol


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    I'm just not going to keep pumping something into my body that doesn't work in the hopes it eventually works. True insanity right there.

    What really cracks me up, and this isn't directed to or at anyone here, are the ones that are triggered by the " Covid anti-vaxxers" are pretty much the ones who were true "anti-vaxxers" ie. pox, measles, mumps etc. to begin with. Real vaccines that are scientifically proven to not only work but actually eliminate the viruses altogether. Well, until anti-vaxxers start denying their children these vaccines.
     
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    IF there was a vax that actually worked as it was suppose to and PREVENTED you from getting the Chinese flu, I'd get it, as long as it dosnt kill you in the process .. these damn things are NOT fully trialed and tested ....and I would never trust this admin./Fauci and the rest of the dems/libs/socialists.. .. again I'll say, NO ONE knows what the damage will be years down the road with these .... no one .. and I am not taking that risk ..
     
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    Do you think the vaccination formula was changed when Biden took office? I will say I do not agree with Biden's vaccine mandate and it is communistic.
     
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    they are using a different Pfizer vax than what the approval was for ... the approval was for the US vax.... they are using the COMIRNATY vax here .....

    from the article ...
    Here’s what you need to know when somebody orders you to get the vaccine: Ask to see the vial. If it says “Comirnaty,” it’s a licensed product.

    If it says “Pfizer-BioNTech,” it’s an experimental product, and under 21 U.S. Code 360bbb, you have the right to refuse.

    If it comes from Moderna or Johnson & Johnson (marketed as Janssen), you have the right to refuse.

    The FDA is playing bait and switch with the American public — but we don’t have to play along. If it doesn’t say Comirnaty, you have not been offered an approved vaccine.
    The FDA fully approved the Comirnaty and not the Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine. Big difference
    Posted on August 25, 2021 by Jesse Santiano, M.D.


    Two days ago, the US mass media was awash with the news that the Pfizer vaccine for COVID-19 has been FDA approved. This means the military, government agencies, and private companies can now mandate the Pfizer vaccine.

    In reality, there is a big difference. What is approved is another brand of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine called Comirnaty. The following are snippets from the FDA approval letter. (emphasis are mine)

    On August 23, 2021, FDA approved the biologics license application (BLA) submitted by BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH for COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 in individuals 16 years of age and older.



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    On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter
    of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA.

    [​IMG]

    Only the Comirnaty is fully approved. The Pfizer Biontech is still under EUA.

    The contents of the Comirnaty and the Pfizer Biontech vaccine are similar and can be used interchangeably.

    8 The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns.

    The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.



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    Notice the words legally distinct? It means that since Comirnaty is approved, Comirnaty does not shield Pfizer from lawsuits from adverse reactions since the FDA now approves it.

    However, the COVID-19 vaccine with the Pfizer Biontech label is still under Emergency Use Authorization. They are under the 2005 Public Readiness and Preparedness Act. This means, if someone suffers a severe adverse reaction or even death after Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination, they cannot sue Pfizer.

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    From Children’s Health Defense
    Here is a tip from Children’s Health Defense,

    Here’s what you need to know when somebody orders you to get the vaccine: Ask to see the vial. If it says “Comirnaty,” it’s a licensed product.

    If it says “Pfizer-BioNTech,” it’s an experimental product, and under 21 U.S. Code 360bbb, you have the right to refuse.

    If it comes from Moderna or Johnson & Johnson (marketed as Janssen), you have the right to refuse.

    The FDA is playing bait and switch with the American public — but we don’t have to play along. If it doesn’t say Comirnaty, you have not been offered an approved vaccine.

    Comirnaty has 99.2% Graphene
    Readers of the website have read Comirnaty before. It is the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine that was tested by Quinta Columna that showed that the Comirnaty has 99.2% graphene! Read The Whole English translation of the Spanish study showing 99% Graphene Oxide in the Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine.

    India Rejected Comirnaty in February 2021
    Comirnaty has been around since February 2021. In fact, India’s COVID-19 Subject Expert Committee (SEC) recommended against its authorization.

    After reviewing data presented by Pfizer at an SEC meeting on 3 February, the committee did not recommend that an EUA be granted, citing serious adverse events including anaphylaxis and palsy as well as the companies’ lack of safety and immunogenicity studies in the Indian population.

    India’s COVID-19 Subject Expert Committee is smarter than the FDA. Maybe they should share the data.

    Doesn’t it get crazier every day?
     
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    Very well written response.

    Why is it that some people will share and listen to these certain videos/articles but will ignore peer reviewed studies with many more patients/tests done? Because it does not align with their personal beliefs?

    I'm asking as a devils advocate. I haven't received the vaccine, but I'm also not reading/watching these articles and videos that are being spread via social media, nor have I read any peer reviews. I simply haven't got it because I'm anti mandate.
     
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    I've really no concerns with companies making money, per se.

    The conflicts of interest, gross federal over steps, companies mandating a virus that is of questionable merit /effacacy/and side effects, withno long term study and all liability waived...

    These are the things that give me angst.
     
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    Pretty weak rebuttal.

    So you stand with most people only using one piece of research in forming their decisions? I don't think so.

    [QUOTEI don't put a lot of stock in any administration, but let's not forget which one this vaccine started under.][/QUOTE]

    When speaking of this administrations track record I was speaking of how they are handling their many crises. Ex. Economy, southern border, Afghanistan pull out and handling of the pandemic, mandates etc.

    This is what I refer to when I say I don't trust them with anything. But I think you knew that.
     
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    Quiet down you damn Russian
    When speaking of this administrations track record I was speaking of how they are handling their many crises. Ex. Economy, southern border, Afghanistan pull out and handling of the pandemic, mandates etc.

    This is what I refer to when I say I don't trust them with anything. But I think you knew that.[/QUOTE]

    In Venatione Veritas
     
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    To play devils advocate to the devils advocate, you state your workplace will have a mandate, vax or mask. Neither one stops the spread on any level, I think most can agree to that. Will you comply with the mask mandate over the vax mandate? Why is one mandate better than the other, not asking mask vs vax, you stated you are anti mandate.

    I got my 2 shots back in March and April because I could see where this was heading and 2022 was too far off to wait, plus had it killed me I wouldn't have to deal with any of the BS going on now. Was a win win situation either way, but now I am no better off than those that have refused so I question my choice/thinking.

    You are unvaccinated, I was once vaccinated but have now dropped back down to unvaccinated status. Still reffered to having at least one shot, which I don't even know what that means anymore.

    I'm done with their BS, and by their I mean the left leaning law makers who push this as the cure all. The plague, 1920 Pandemic, all of the past epidemics/pandemics in the last 25 years had no 2 shot regimines/boosters. I'll take boosters back a bit as I think they have been used somewhat successfully in the past but flu is the only one that I can recall was/is annual and much like the current vaccines uncertain to work.

    Got a little drawn out but I am done with Covid-19, Delta, Mu, Haitians storming the border variant and masks.
     
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    well, I am not going to go looking for cases that are going to undermine my lawsuit am I?

    kidding aside, the problem is that all these other studies are not under a complete legacy and social media blackout. I can't speak for the others, but as to me I just like to put out stuff that I find interesting, fact-based or at least reliably sourced, but that run counter to the COVIDnation narrative.
     
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