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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by BJE80, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. TEmbry

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    The whole point of RTW is to avoid forcing union dues and opinions on all workers wether they agree with them or not. To give you as a worker the right to avoid unions.
     
  2. tacklebox

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    lmao WTH? That makes no sense at all
     
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    Michigan just became a RTW state. I was wondering if the union vote would affect that last election, but we still have a Republican governor and a Republican majority in the legislature. It seems to be working well. The teachers union tried to mess with people, but that was resolved.

    I don't think there is any data out yet on how many people have dropped union membership.
     
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    How many jobs has it created?
     
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    I don't know if it is as simple as you make the question seem. A lot of factors come into play of which this would be one of them that a potential investor or business would consider before making an investment or starting a business in an area. If you look at a map of the states with RTW it is quickly apparent that most of the job creation is in those states, mainly the southern portion of the country, now granted a lot of these jobs where from job migration from the more heavily industrialized north and north eastern part of the country. A big reason for the migration was the businesses avoiding the problems associated with a heavily unionized labor force. I would consider RTW laws in the south as a considerable factor, along with other pro business policies, to creating jobs in those states albeit sometimes at the expense of jobs in other parts of the country.
     
  6. Skywalker

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    How many jobs do unions create? I'm confused I guess as I always thought businesses created jobs.
     
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    Im in a wisconsin union.my union fights for are wages and has ther own team to get us a good healthcare at a good orice for are company. My question is if a worker comes in not wanting to pay union dues, does he or she get to reap my benefits that my dues pay for. If you dont want to pay dues and be in a union thats fine.there should be a two tier system then the union anf ther pay and benefits, and non union with what pay and benefits the company see to pay.
     
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    Any good union jobs in Detroit these days?
     
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    Didnt Michigan just file bankruptcy a yr ago.was it a result of rtw.
     
  10. Skywalker

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    Haha, no!
     
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    Actually only a very small part of your dues go to negotiating your pay and benefits, most go to "administrative costs" (being salaries and perks for the union executives) and for political activities. Unions are at their core a business, the business of keeping a group of workers satisfied just enough so that they can collect enough dues to pay for their expenses.

    I work for a company that has both union and non-union business segments within the same industry. The non-union side of the business is much more profitable and has higher wages, better benefits, bonus opportunities and job satisfaction than the union side by a wide margin. This has documented by employee survey after employee survey. There is a reason that private sector unions have been decreasing at a precipitous rate, not because they are not good workers and good people that comprise union ranks but rather the constant us vs. them mentality that leads to lower productivity and higher costs than union free business segments. RTW just gives workers the ability to choose
     
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    No they didn't file bankruptcy, or no it wasn't because of rtw?
     
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    Detroit filed bankruptcy. Had nothing to do with RTW. Detroit had been insolvent years before RTW was passed.
     
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    No, RTW had nothing to do with Detroit's problems. In fact, one could argue that unions helped lead to the downfall of the American auto industry which in turn put the final blows on the the city of Detroit. The auto industry was the boom and the bust of Detroit.
     
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    Actually it was Detroit and RTW had nothing to do with that, oddly enough the largest liability was the exorbitant city pension and retiree benefits that city workers had amassed under public works unions. Those expenses were not sustainable and had to be addressed for the city to be viable.
     
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    To answer your question yes they get the same wage structure the unions negotiated for union members. It would be discrimination if there was a two tiered system like you suggest. I have a couple of questions for you.
    It's obvious you're a sportsman so does it bother you that the unions use that money to get politicians hired that their agendas are clearly against the sportsman?

    If it doesn't bother you then how can you be into the outdoor sports and vote democrat? It is a little hypocritical
     
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    Just curious. Ive seen the union protect the laziest of people and have reaped the consequences of there actions.i work very hard at what I do and really dont trust the company I work for.i would hate to see what they would do without a union.guess only time would tell.
     
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    You have me there.i really don't know what political agenda the union has.i feel all politics are corrupt and I actually dont vote.so I guess I really ave no place to ccry.i work hard to provide for me and my wife and I was wondering how this will effect my benefits witch I beleave my union threw my dues helped me get. My first job was non union I worked hard was promised advancment for my great work.was recommend by my supervisor.in the end I was burned on that deal by a supervisor that was on leave for a yr saying I gain to much of a raise and I wasnt dedicated.i haven't been burned like that at my union job so just wondering how this new law effects me.
     
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    It won't
     
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    bothered me when Richard Trumka was doing ads on the outdoor or sportsman's ch socialist commie bastard..
     

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