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    Hmm. I think we're mixing too much here. Is it...

    Hmm. I think we're mixing too much here. Is it too late to also use all knowing and all ppwerful?
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    Yes and I can understand that. But some people...

    Yes and I can understand that. But some people can't see why people don't believe the bible. Even though they're 2 documents which are repeatedly changed and investigated.
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    And you refuse to believe what a lot of...

    And you refuse to believe what a lot of scientists think.

    Anyways looks like I'm going to make enemies so I'm out too.
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    No I just thought people wanted to discuss these...

    No I just thought people wanted to discuss these ideas. But if this runs counter to the thread then I'll back out.
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    I guess if you want to use a source to prove the...

    I guess if you want to use a source to prove the source is true we won't get anywhere with anything.
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    Well I also forgot to tie it to all powerful and...

    Well I also forgot to tie it to all powerful and all knowing. How one can be all knowing but have free will.
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    Guess I'm the moran huh. = /

    Guess I'm the moran huh. = /
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    But when you give it away you are not all...

    But when you give it away you are not all powerful at that point. You give away some of your power to allow for free will. When you do you are no longer all powerful. You might be very powerful...
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    This does nothing except state that Cain had Free...

    This does nothing except state that Cain had Free will but doesn't solve the omnipotence dilemma. You're also using a source to prove something debate able in that source.
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    You didn't provide an explanation. You just...

    You didn't provide an explanation. You just restated what you have been that there is freewill with omnipotence.



    When you let someone think for themselves you are not in control of their...
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    True it morphed = ) But what I'm saying is that...

    True it morphed = ) But what I'm saying is that you can't have an omnipotent creator with free will.
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    But that was never the topic?

    But that was never the topic?
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    I don't see how your explanation solves the...

    I don't see how your explanation solves the dilemma of omnipotence and freewill. Are you saying that faith somehow solves that problem? I don't see how it does.
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    I guess you're going to keep quoting things all...

    I guess you're going to keep quoting things all day
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    The biggest thing is that I don't think it...

    The biggest thing is that I don't think it matters how I feel. He is god and he will do as he pleases. If it's out of my control then I can only accept it right?

    If God chose another means to...
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    Spot can you answer questions more directly? ...

    Spot can you answer questions more directly? You've got to realize there are many speculative people out there and stating jess Christ is a credible source seems a bit ridiculous to those who don't...
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    God is not all powerful if we have free will. ...

    God is not all powerful if we have free will. God is not all powerful at the point he limits himself to provide free will.
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    I never stated it was wrong what the Creator did....

    I never stated it was wrong what the Creator did. I would be more willing to believe a Creator who allows or creates evil and good and also does not provide free will as that would mean a Creator is...
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    Ok. Then you lend it. Still doesn't take away...

    Ok. Then you lend it. Still doesn't take away from the point.
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    Well. Lets try this. You have all the money in...

    Well. Lets try this. You have all the money in the world, literally. You give money away to one person as a gift but you tell him that if you want your money back, that he is to give it back. The...
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    Do you not see the flaw im trying to point at?

    Do you not see the flaw im trying to point at?
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    Yes, that would be All Powerful. But when he...

    Yes, that would be All Powerful. But when he limits himself by choice, he is no longer All-Powerful right? He just gave a part of his "power" away thereby no longer being "All-Powerful" and only...
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    Being more powerful does not entail the same...

    Being more powerful does not entail the same things as "All Powerful" All Powerful means that you can control everything, the way one thinks, moves, walks, breathes, everything. You cannot do that...
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    If God chose to give us freewill and thereby...

    If God chose to give us freewill and thereby limited himself, he would no longer be all powerful would he?

    Also, can God make a rock he couldn't lift???
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