The bush honeysuckle epidemic...

Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by Scott/IL, Oct 21, 2016.

  1. Scott/IL

    Scott/IL Die Hard Bowhunter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Posts:
    2,811
    Likes Received:
    226
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    Honeysuckle, Autumn Olive, whatever name you wish to call the devil plant...

    Maybe my area is the only one, but this is a problem I do not see anybody talking about.

    On our 365 acre family farm, about 180 acres is timber. And of that 180, about 150 is absolutely covered with bush honeysuckle to the point it is impenetrable. Deer trails have vanished over the years, former areas that produced no longer provide any deer sightings, and if you find an area, the stuff is so thick and fast growing that you sound like a herd of elephants coming into your stand, and once you get there you cannot see 15 yards around you.

    To remove the plant would be to dig up the root ball for best odds, or to cut at the base and spray with a potent herbicide. We are talking several hundreds of thousands of plants that need to be removed and as fast as birds spread these things by eating the berries, I'm afraid it's a battle that cannot be won until a more viable removal option exists (like a spray that actually kills it).

    Any others struggling with this? If so what have you done?

    Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk
     
  2. Ruttin1

    Ruttin1 Weekend Warrior

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2014
    Posts:
    174
    Likes Received:
    81
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    ImageUploadedByBowhunting.com Forums1477131411.820524.jpg look like this? It's everywhere on the property I lease here in WI. Not nearly to the extent you are talking about, but you can't get away from the stuff either. First year leasing this place so I don't know how quick it will spread.
     
  3. trial153

    trial153 Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2011
    Posts:
    8,963
    Likes Received:
    2,855
    Dislikes Received:
    32
    Location:
    NY
    Sucks, we have in places in NY as well. There was a time when it was considered good cover and promoted by the DEC for habitat. One place I know of has had luck cutting the larger bushes and painted the stumps with herbicides. I'm the late winter. They then come back a few months later and use skid steer to clear the whole lot. Seems to grow back less that way.
     
  4. Scott/IL

    Scott/IL Die Hard Bowhunter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Posts:
    2,811
    Likes Received:
    226
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    I'll try to take some pictures when I get back out to the farm Monday, but that's the stuff Ruttin. I would try to eradicate it as best you can while you are still ahead of it.

    Trial, same situation here in Illinois from what I understand. Illinois DNR liked it for it's cover and hardiness in the winter. I've read up on the cutting and painting, it's labor intensive, but effective once you get ahead of it and can then continue spraying new growth each year. I've considered it, but I fear for clearing over 100 acres of hilly and brushy hollows it may be too big of a job.

    I killed my first deer on the ground during gun season in 2000. Today if you were to sit next to that same tree, you could not see 10' in front of you. It has completely choked out any new growth of beneficial species and has created a negative monoculture of our forest. I've even heard of some "experts" still encouraging this stuff..



    Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk
     
  5. Afflicted

    Afflicted Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2011
    Posts:
    5,991
    Likes Received:
    133
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    West Palm Beach, FL
    Wow:-/. And I've been wanting to plant some at my lease for deer.

    Guess I won't now.

    Very sorry to hear what a mess it makes.


    Kilboars Hunt Club
     
  6. BH.COM-CLINTON

    BH.COM-CLINTON BHOD Crew

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Posts:
    462
    Likes Received:
    97
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Ipava Illinois
    Scott,
    On One of the forty acre farms that we Hunt we have it Terrible. Ten years ago you could see 200 yards in there and we saw lots off deer. Now it's so thick you can't see ten feet. I have killed several big deer in there so I guess that's a plus but overall the deer usage is 20 percent what it once was.
    I'm hoping they come up with something to kill it that you can spray from a crop duster air plane.
     
  7. Afflicted

    Afflicted Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2011
    Posts:
    5,991
    Likes Received:
    133
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    West Palm Beach, FL
    You guy have any photos of it?
     
  8. Scott/IL

    Scott/IL Die Hard Bowhunter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Posts:
    2,811
    Likes Received:
    226
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    I'll agree with everything you've seen on your place. At first I just thought the deer were hiding better, but years of trail cameras have shown the numbers themselves in these areas are way down. We did have a run in with EHD in there also, but it was not nearly as bad as surrounding areas.

    Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk
     
  9. Page

    Page Weekend Warrior

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2010
    Posts:
    516
    Likes Received:
    1,618
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    Good idea about crop dusting. Imagine it would be very hard to find something that wouldn't kill everything though. I know exactly how bad some areas of Fulton are. Definitely sucks to track deer through

    Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
     
  10. ruck139

    ruck139 Weekend Warrior

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Posts:
    621
    Likes Received:
    49
    Dislikes Received:
    2
    I have access to a property that was heavily infested with barberry and burning bush that the landowner wanted gone. We made a deal, hunting rights in exchange for me clearing invasive plant species. The best, and really only way, is to cut it down in winter, and then go back every month or so and spray any new growth. It is very time consuming to do a large area, but if there is an easier way I'd like to hear it. Shop around for the herbicide, and buy an off brand concentrate, so much cheaper than buying Roundup!
     
  11. Scott/IL

    Scott/IL Die Hard Bowhunter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Posts:
    2,811
    Likes Received:
    226
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    This does seem to be the best option. It'll take several years to completely get rid of it, but we may just have to give it a try, and continuous spraying after, but should do the job if you can turn the corner on it.

    I've also considered just taking a dozer to different ridge tops where it has grabbed hold of and then starting over by replanting them in a sawtooth oaks, fruit trees, switchgrass, and food plots. Once I get an area cleared and a food plot established, I have had no problems with it trying to grow back up every year. Starting from scratch should help keep new growth at bay as well. This would then leave me to wage war with the stuff on the hillsides and ditches.


    Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk
     
  12. JakeD

    JakeD Grizzled Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2011
    Posts:
    3,342
    Likes Received:
    107
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Missouri
    I used to work for the MDC in forestry and we killed the stuff all the time. We did TSI projects and used chainsaws and sprayed garlon on the stumps. It will kill pretty much anything you spray it on.
     
  13. Scott/IL

    Scott/IL Die Hard Bowhunter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Posts:
    2,811
    Likes Received:
    226
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    Roughly how large of an area could 2 guys kill in a days time?

    Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk
     
  14. Justin

    Justin Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Posts:
    11,097
    Likes Received:
    7,787
    Dislikes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Algonquin, Illinois, United States
    We have honeysuckle here in places, however our main problem is Buckthorn. If you think honeysuckle is bad, try getting rid of this stuff. At least deer eat honeysuckle leaves. Buckthorn has no nutritional value to any animal and spreads just as bad. Much like your problem we have hundreds of acres of buckthorn thickets that are all but impenetrable and unhuntable. Deer used to bed and winter in these areas and now they barely step foot in them. Much like Clinton's problem the deer usage is a fraction of what it used to be. The only way to get rid of it is a chainsaw and herbicide. The problem is that the berries/seeds are viable for something like 8 years. And as soon as you cut the big trees down you get hundreds or thousands of sucklings that sprout almost immediately.

    I feel your pain.
     
  15. Sota

    Sota Legendary Woodsman

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2014
    Posts:
    31,114
    Likes Received:
    21,201
    Dislikes Received:
    127
    Location:
    Minnesota
    It can't be worse than cutzu.
     
  16. Sota

    Sota Legendary Woodsman

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2014
    Posts:
    31,114
    Likes Received:
    21,201
    Dislikes Received:
    127
    Location:
    Minnesota
    There is a tool that you can use to pry out the saplings and get the root instead of cutting and spraying. i have never used it myself but watched inmates do it well.:o
     
  17. Scott/IL

    Scott/IL Die Hard Bowhunter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Posts:
    2,811
    Likes Received:
    226
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    I don't have experience with Kudzu, but I have read from those that have messed with both that it is comparable in regards to being invasive and hard to control.

    Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk
     
  18. Jeepwillys

    Jeepwillys Die Hard Bowhunter

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2015
    Posts:
    2,450
    Likes Received:
    269
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Central, KY
    If it was introduced by man it's a disaster. Kudzu, Multi Floral Rose, Honeysuckle, Brazilian pepper........
     
  19. Scott/IL

    Scott/IL Die Hard Bowhunter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Posts:
    2,811
    Likes Received:
    226
    Dislikes Received:
    1
    I have not heard of buckthorn before, but a quick google search and it doesn't look familiar to me. Maybe more present in the northern part of the state? Either way, sounds like a similar pain in the butt.

    With these plants being such an issue, I'm surprised they are not talked about more, or companies aren't trying to capitalize on their removal.

    Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk
     
  20. Sota

    Sota Legendary Woodsman

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2014
    Posts:
    31,114
    Likes Received:
    21,201
    Dislikes Received:
    127
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Buckthorn will still be green when the snow hits been able to keep it at bay at my place, I get after it after I am done hunting and the firewood is put up, I cut it flush with a chainsaw and the deer browse on the suckers seems to knock it down.
     

Share This Page