When do you start using minerals?

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  1. BigPhil_H

    BigPhil_H Die Hard Bowhunter

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    What time of the year do you start using minerals, what's your favorite kind and where are your favorite places to make a site?

    I put my first bag of Monster Raxx out today since last August in the middle of my food plot - in, on and around a dead stump. EHD hit us hard this year and I'm anxious to draw in what's left and get a head count.
     
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    I actually use them pretty much year round. I have tried all kinds and I have the best luck with Boneheadz deer minerals...but won't go over well on here....lol. That's just what I use.

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    We make it a point to freshen mineral sites with granulated mineral in late February/early March and continue to have them going until about September but we also put out a few no maintenance mineral blocks from fall and all through winter. So technically year round.
     
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    You put it out when Monster Raxx puts out a coupon :hail:
     
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    Usually right after the rifle season ends and all the way through August. This year will be a little different since my hunting ground isn't as accessible to me. (Working in NH, hunting KS). I plan on getting back in April to freshen sites heavily, and again in July. I haven't tried putting it on a stump yet, but I have better luck in bottoms than I do on ridge tops. That's just my property, it may be different on your ground. I've tried a lot of different minerals out there, I was a fan of record rack because I got a lot for cheap, but I lacked results and the deer only hit it a few days and usage tapered way off after that with a lot of leftover mineral untouched. I made the switch to monster Raxx, and it's a bit more expensive but definitely worth it IMO. The deer clean it up every time and I can actually see results. My buck this year had nearly 7" bases and scored close to 160" and carried that mass all the way to his H3 measurement. I also had a lot more bucks sprout stickers, splits, and one even had a drop tine. You can't argue with results.
     
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    Art Vandelay Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Year round!
     
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    freshening up mine this weekend... I keep minerals out year round... I use lucky buck and a 20# bucket lasts about 2.5 months..

    if you don't keep it out year round you are short changing your deer...
     

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    For the most part our sites are year round even though deer barely use them in the fall. We don't really freshen them much during that time though and will start refreshing as soon as we can now. The next couple of months deer will start visiting the mineral sites more and more into spring and summer.
     
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    No.6Hunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    I use Pops Loose Moose year round and usually dump three 16 lb bags a year per site. Most of my sites are set up on old Stumps or logs.
     
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    if its for overall herd health, then year round. If its for antler growth, then start in March and freshen maybe monthly through Aug.
     
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    kind of like food plots and supplemental feed it's a year round proposition.

    I don't just plant kill plots..
     
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    Everyone saying do it year round, remember not everyone can though. My sites are currently fenced off and some of the dug up soil in garage. I will be unfencing and reapplying mineral this month yet sometime when time allows. I would just encourage anyone doing mineral supplementation desiring to do more than just put an attractant out research the ingredients and make sure it isn't just a glorified salt lick. Obviously salt licks will attract the deer but will do nothing for them when comparing to something that attracts them and encourages health.
     
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    I've never used minerals through the winter here in Minnesota... Been leery of the snow and how the deer would hit them?? Since I am unable to loosen the soil because it is frozen solid... What would be the best route?
     
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    maybe this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgM_74-kepo
     
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    I agree which is why I never use livestock mineral like trace.. The main ingredients you want to look for in a deer only mineral are phosphorous, calcium, magnesium,selenium. here is a great read from QDMA.

    ww.qdma.com/articles/minerals-for-whitetails

    " When spring rolls around, hunters everywhere gear up to begin establishing or “recharging” the mineral sites on their hunting properties. They know that deer typically begin using supplemental minerals around spring green-up and continue until early fall. Surely, the knee-deep depressions in the soil caused by repeated years of mineral supplementation are evidence of deer need and, thus, benefit. But, is there any scientific evidence to support this?

    
Before discussing the research on mineral supplementation, let’s review the basics of antler growth. During spring, the onset of antler growth is triggered by changes in photoperiod (day length). What follows is a complicated process of hormone release and changes in the deer’s body to enable the rapid transfer of nutrients to the growing antlers. This process continues until late summer when a sharp increase in the male hormone, testosterone, stimulates antler hardening and velvet shedding.

    
Growing antlers are composed mostly of proteins (80 percent by weight); whereas hardened antlers contain roughly equal amounts of proteins and minerals. Studies have shown that calcium and phosphorus are by far the two most common minerals in deer antlers, comprising 30–35 percent of the mature antler by weight. However, a University of Georgia study detected 11 different minerals in the whitetail’s antlers. In addition to calcium (19 percent) and phosphorus (10 percent), the next most common elements were magnesium (1 percent) and sodium (0.5 percent). Lesser amounts of other minerals were found including potassium, barium, iron, aluminum, zinc, strontium and manganese. Besides calcium and phosphorus, little is known about the role of other minerals in antler growth.

    Clearly minerals are important in antler development. Because of the large quantities of minerals required for antler growth, whitetails have developed the ability to “bank” calcium and phosphorus in their skeletons and then transfer these minerals during antler growth. However, these body sources of calcium and phosphorus provide only a portion needed for optimum antler growth. The rest must come directly from their diet while their antlers are actively growing. Therefore, mineral supplementation prior to and during antler growth may be beneficial.

    Research on domestic livestock has documented numerous benefits of mineral supplementation including increased forage intake, improved forage digestion, and increased reproductive success. In contrast, most studies on whitetails have focused on the impacts on body weight and antler development. Researchers at Mississippi State University found a strong correlation between soil mineral content (primarily phosphorus) and body size, although no correlation with adult antler size was found. They concluded that soil phosphorus levels were the best indicator of body size, probably because phosphorus deficient soils are common throughout the United States.

    A classic study on the mineral needs of deer was conducted at Penn State University in the 1950s. In this study, researchers did detect a difference in yearling buck antler development between supplemented and unsupplemented groups. However, these herds were fed a nutritionally deficient diet below what most whitetails would have access to in the wild. Furthermore, when the same deer were examined the following year as 2.5–year–olds, no differences were detected between the two groups.

    In a similar study conducted at Auburn University, researchers tried to detect differences in body and antler size between an unsupplemented and supplemented group. This study differed from the Penn State study in that both herds were fed a nutritionally complete diet. In addition, one group was provided a commercial mineral supplement. Over a four year period the researchers were unable to detect any differences between the two deer herds.

    Without question deer need minerals, and they will readily use mineral licks. But why do they use these licks and why is their use restricted primarily to the spring and summer? Many hunters believe that it is simply because bucks need the minerals for antler growth and does for raising fawns during these months. However, several studies have shown that while deer readily use mineral licks high in salt, they rarely, if ever, use pure mineral supplements. If deer were lacking minerals, why wouldn’t they use the pure mineral supplement even if salt wasn’t present? No one can say for sure, but it’s probably because most minerals by themselves are bitter.

    Could the use of salt/mineral mixes simply be due to an increased need for salt? According to research, yes. During the spring and summer, deer operate at a sodium deficiency due to the high potassium and water content of the forage. This interferes with efficient sodium conversion in the body and increases the need for sodium. This makes deer actively seek out concentrated sources of sodium such as natural or man–made licks. Almost all soils more than 25–50 miles from a seacoast are low in sodium. Therefore, in these areas, salt may be just as necessary as calcium and phosphorus to whitetails during the spring and summer.

    What does all this mean to the average deer hunter and manager? The results of these studies suggest that mineral supplementation – especially calcium, phosphorus, and sodium – may provide some benefit, especially in situations where deer are nutritionally deprived or areas with minerally deficient soils. However, age and nutrition are the two most important ingredients for producing large antlered bucks. Regardless of the intensity of mineral supplementation, a yearling buck will still be a yearling buck. Bucks must live long enough to reach physical maturity while having access to high quality nutrition to achieve maximum antler growth. Creating a lick is certainly fun, inexpensive, and watching deer respond to these licks is satisfying. Mineral licks also provide a great place to survey deer with game cameras.

    So, if you have already addressed the larger concerns of habitat and herd management, mineral supplements can be another part of your overall management plan. The key is to have realistic expectations. Don’t expect to see trophy bucks walking around this fall just because you gave them a mineral boost this spring. While the advantages of mineral supplementation have not been clearly documented, neither have any disadvantages."
     
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    Here is a couple of pictures that will show they still hit minerals in the winter here in Minnesota. I will post some early pictures and some winter pics from the same site.

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    wait did someone write that they fence off their mineral sites and actually excavate soil to take home and save? You must use MonsterRaxx (without the coupon).
     
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    Re-read...some states it is illegal to have minerals out all year and the affected soil....Indiana being one of them. But, yes I do use Monsterraxx.
     
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    Thinking of mixing up 100lbs of corn and throwing a bag of Monster Raxx with it.
     

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