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    Antler point restrictions are GREAT...if they're self imposed. No way should the state be dictating this IMO. I understand the idea that it helps let younger bucks walk but the fact is some young bucks with great potential will be shot and the lesser young bucks are the one's left to survive. The only thing point restrictions do is count points, it's up to the hunter to make the decision if the buck is old enough or worthy of a tag. Heck, what do you do when you have a 5 year old 4 or 5 pointer running around doing all your breeding....you take the management out of the hands of the people that can make that decision.
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    Here's another point of view. Antler restrictions has less to do with antlers and more to do with changing the herd dynamics. With less bucks to kill, hunters shift to killing does instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolvenkinde View Post
    Not if I have been essentially hand-feeding that 8 point since it was a fawn(just giving him the pass till he's big enough to hang on the wall). Also a button is not considered an antlered deer - at least not legally for harvest in MI(nor most other states as far as I know)...and there are not hardly any 1.5 year old spikes that will reach the same 'trophy' potential as a 1.5 year old 6pt could.
    Where I live there is no such thing as a 1.5 y.o. 6pt.
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    I'm very lucky to hunt an area that had no restrictions and then implemented them. I got to see first hand and document the results.

    When there where no AR's the buck harvest was sad to say the list...30+ yearling bucks would fall each year and the doe harvest was very low also....rarely would you see a decent buck. This is what 300 gun hunters killed on a 2 day hunt during the rut.

    This is year 1 harvest pic's after implementing a 15" out side spread AR.



    This is year 3 harvest pic's after implementing a 15" out side spread AR. Not only has the quality of the buck harvest went way up, the doe harvest tripled also. This is what 300 gun hunters killed on a 2 day hunt during the rut.





    Tell me one more time how bad AR's are....and how they don't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tynimiller View Post
    You do realize every state that has enlisted APRs has not experienced this loss of antlered harvests longer than one year? After that one year you have now just shifted the normal high yearling/fawn buck kills one year older...and now everyone in the woods sees more 2.5 year olds like they used to see 1.5 year olds.

    *The use of the word every is based on the states I've researched or heard from reputable sites/people on this matter...I in no way guarantee that 100% and please correct me if wrong with a link.
    I'm not sure I follow you. I never stated there would be a decline in buck numbers harvested. I said that at some point, you will plateau with the number of bucks to does in your herd. Which in my mind is a good thing and is the sustainability of herd balancing.

    I have a very good friend who's family owns a small piece of property north of me. Historically, if anyone at camp killed a buck at all, it was a big deal. Over the past couple of years, they've been getting better and better deer every season and now they're taking nice 8's every year. The surrounding properties also.

    AR's are a very good thing if done reasonably. 8 points is ridiculous however. 3 points to side seems to work well in PA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzyman88 View Post
    I'm not sure I follow you. I never stated there would be a decline in buck numbers harvested. I said that at some point, you will plateau with the number of bucks to does in your herd. Which in my mind is a good thing and is the sustainability of herd balancing.

    I have a very good friend who's family owns a small piece of property north of me. Historically, if anyone at camp killed a buck at all, it was a big deal. Over the past couple of years, they've been getting better and better deer every season and now they're taking nice 8's every year. The surrounding properties also.

    AR's are a very good thing if done reasonably. 8 points is ridiculous however. 3 points to side seems to work well in PA.
    I think I mis-read/understood you, not you me, apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tynimiller View Post
    I think I mis-read/understood you, not you me, apologies.
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    Nj has antler restrictions in counties theres no public ground to hunt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tynimiller View Post
    I can only speak for IN, but if a meat hunter than states need to encourage more doe harvests. Too many "meat" hunters I know don't shoot a single doe...ever. The worst part is no matter how you handle it some sect will always be unhappy, I few mild APR mixed with encouraged doe harvests (cheaper tags or what not) the best avenue for both worlds.
    Couldn't agree more with much state above. You can't call yourself a meat hunter and say that this is unfair to those who hunt for meat if you are not willing to shoot a doe which by all accounts is better eating then any age class before from late pre-rut on. I wish it was easier to enforce and identify age as that is really the true factor of which deer should be harvested by.

    Where I hunt a trophy buck is typically a 3 1/2 year old and 95% of the hunters will not pass them up. I let a lot of deer go hoping they get to 4 1/2 and it just doesn't happen. When it does its big news as you get those bucks that start reaching more potential and get 160+. I just want the hunting in WI (where I hunt) to evolve to being that we still let 3 1/2 express more potential and then harvest 4 1/2 year olds knowing they will be studs and that a few will have the potential to be world class 5 1/2 year olds. For the meat hunters of WI it continues to be endless doe tags.
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