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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticknstringarchery View Post
    There you go being an *** again. Come on dude!

    I'm kidding for real.

    I guess the only way to know is for them to do it huh?

    If it weren't for the service and friends you make at a pro shop, I'd probably buy box store brand. I just value the pro shop atmosphere, knowledge and all round quality of going to a pro shop.

    You are probably right on with this as for hunters, beginners or even places without a pro shop or quality shop around.
    This, and most people who are getting into the sport and intimidated by the pro shop atmosphere. I'm not impressed by most of these shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelo Fotopoulos View Post
    The flag ship bow is the Infinite Edge right?!?!
    It should be. Seriously.

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    Well I'm new to archery/bow hunting and the Infinite Edge was my choice as of March 1st, I was however going to out right spend mad cash on the Elite Answer but decided against that idea since I'm a noob and all by the way with my Infinite edge I'm only $700 into the game with all the fixins where I'd probably be more along the lines of $1500 with the Answer.
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    I don't know why I feel like responding to this and I know I'm just gonna come off as the fanboy that I was once labeled as but what they heck, in the spirit of dmil, I'm gonna sound off....

    Bowtech covered this base when they put out Diamond. I think with the attachment of their name to a bow built for Cabela's, an all that is given up when that happens you run the risk of changing how your customer base perceives your products. To back this up lets take a look a Diamond. What do I think about when I think Diamond Bows? I don't think Bowtech, I think Cabela's, Gander mt ect ect...
    The Diamond's are the single cam line, yes they are sold in box stores as well, but I've yet to meet a person who bought one based soley on the price tag. When I think Diamond, I think of a bow that has the fit and finish of a Bowtech and is usually pretty smooth.

    The box store thing. There's a certain amount of bowhunters out there that simply don't go to pro shops, heck there's even some that don't have have a pro shop nearby. Why should Bowtech miss out on potential sales? Any company for that matter.

    Mathews and Hoyt are the only two big companies that don't have bows in the box stores
    Who makes thos Reflex bows that are sold in ****'s? The ones with the tech risers.

    It's an incredibly smart move for them. Bowtech used to make a Sportsmans Warehouse branded Patriot and later a Marquis. We sold the hell out of them.
    Everything about it is smart. Take the Nitrous that hunter's friend and other large box types sold. It was a Marquis riser, with a cable slide in place of the string stop. Great bow, made from extra risers from Marquis.

    Got my brother in law a "Diamond" Air Raid sold exclusively at Bass Pro in a package. Bowtech Air Raid risers and limbs coupled with a single cam platform. Friggin sweet bow.

    Nearly every one of those box store specials, not new release Diamonds, have some part that they may have made too many of or from bows that undersold in prior years. As a production manager, I love it. As a shooter, some of those bows are DRASTICALLY underrated. Sub par quality, not for a minute, just cheaper to produce when you're using a extra risers or a riser design that you've already paid R&D on.

    The flag ship bow is the Infinite Edge right?!?!
    Is there another bow out there that I can buy my 5 year old, have it fit him, and then turn and adjust it to let me shoot it at 31 inch draw/70 lbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben/PA View Post
    Is there another bow out there that I can buy my 5 year old, have it fit him, and then turn and adjust it to let me shoot it at 31 inch draw/70 lbs?
    That's exactly why I bought an Infinite Edge vs the Elite Answer... not only can I learn to shoot, hunt and just plain old have fun but I'll easily be able to hand it over to my kids if and when I ever buy a new bow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben/PA View Post
    I don't know why I feel like responding to this and I know I'm just gonna come off as the fanboy that I was once labeled as but what they heck, in the spirit of dmil, I'm gonna sound off....



    The Diamond's are the single cam line, yes they are sold in box stores as well, but I've yet to meet a person who bought one based soley on the price tag. When I think Diamond, I think of a bow that has the fit and finish of a Bowtech and is usually pretty smooth.

    The box store thing. There's a certain amount of bowhunters out there that simply don't go to pro shops, heck there's even some that don't have have a pro shop nearby. Why should Bowtech miss out on potential sales? Any company for that matter.

    Who makes thos Reflex bows that are sold in ****'s? The ones with the tech risers.



    Everything about it is smart. Take the Nitrous that hunter's friend and other large box types sold. It was a Marquis riser, with a cable slide in place of the string stop. Great bow, made from extra risers from Marquis.

    Got my brother in law a "Diamond" Air Raid sold exclusively at Bass Pro in a package. Bowtech Air Raid risers and limbs coupled with a single cam platform. Friggin sweet bow.

    Nearly every one of those box store specials, not new release Diamonds, have some part that they may have made too many of or from bows that undersold in prior years. As a production manager, I love it. As a shooter, some of those bows are DRASTICALLY underrated. Sub par quality, not for a minute, just cheaper to produce when you're using a extra risers or a riser design that you've already paid R&D on.



    Is there another bow out there that I can buy my 5 year old, have it fit him, and then turn and adjust it to let me shoot it at 31 inch draw/70 lbs?
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    The so called pro shops around have trouble replacing a string...and that's a true story...lol. I have 3 shops within an hour from me. Only one of them is decent at best. After 19 years of bow hunting...I could care less where I buy mine as long as its the bow I want at a decent price. Some of the best service ive gotten has been at bass pro shop. I hope all you guys pro shops are better than the ones I have.
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    Several points:
    Bowtech guys are pretty easy to torque up...
    Now in seriousness and for sake of conversation. This whole thread was started from the meh the Experience received from plenty of loyal Bowtech shooters and more then a few Bowtech dealers. The talk was that Bowtech was selling out and not offering the cutting edge high performance that it built its customer base on..or example compare the popularity and following of the D350 to the reception of the Experience ... So much so that there was speculation that Bowtech was going to offer a mid year release of another 2013 flagship bow...

    So fast forward to the tongue in cheek reference to Bowtech mid yet release of a bow for Cabela's...a bow very different then the style that got Bowtech where it in so far as a customer base and high performance expectations.

    Only for conversation I will touch on a couple very relevant points, that guys here brought up.

    Just my 2cents...buyers that are buying at Cabela's for the most part are looking at price point and value not cutting edge performance. And there is no reason to blame them, it's prudent and effective for bowhunting. I really don't think they care what company's name is attached as long as the price is right and it looks cool.

    Second point. I think moves like this hurt Bowtechs customer base because they loose some of the feeling of exclusivity and the being on the cutting edge..why because their company is now catering to the uncouth masses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by trial153 View Post
    This whole thread was started from the meh the Experience received from plenty of loyal Bowtech shooters and more then a few Bowtech dealers.

    Explain "meh"

    ..why because their company is now catering to the uncouth masses...

    I'm still confused as to how you came to this conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben/PA View Post
    Explain "meh"

    ..why because their company is now catering to the uncouth masses...

    I'm still confused as to how you came to this conclusion.
    "Meh" think shrug..or nothing special...


    My opine, not conclusion comes from the amount of Bowtech owner I know who
    haven't been trading bows up. Stated reason mainly being that current offerings don't exceed past bows..see my d350 example. Second it comes from a friend who is a dealer, and what claims a noticeable drop in sales and gravitation from bowtech to a couple other brands because of change in perception and what drives Bowtech sales. I don't know how true that is, or that I can fully concur with him. However he is the guy making a living off selling bows,and I do not. He told me he was selling around 100 Bowtech sales a year...so I kind just assume he has better handle on his customer base.

    I am not not a Bowtech fan, and quite frankly I really disliked the bows, now and in the past. with that said I always admired how they successfully groomed and marketed to their customer base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trial153 View Post
    "Meh" think shrug..or nothing special...


    My opine, not conclusion comes from the amount of Bowtech owner I know who
    haven't been trading bows up. Stated reason mainly being that current offerings don't exceed past bows..see my d350 example. Second it comes from a friend who is a dealer, and what claims a noticeable drop in sales and gravitation from bowtech to a couple other brands because of change in perception and what drives Bowtech sales. I don't know how true that is, or that I can fully concur with him. However he is the guy making a living off selling bows,and I do not. He told me he was selling around 100 Bowtech sales a year...so I kind just assume he has better handle on his customer base.

    I am not not a Bowtech fan, and quite frankly I really disliked the bows, now and in the past. with that said I always admired how they successfully groomed and marketed to their customer base.
    To expand on this.. I feel bowtech really, unavoidably, shot themselves in the foot. 2008-2011 were incredible years for them. They were leading the pack innovation. Now that is the accepted norm for them. The experience is a nice bow, but nothing mind blowing over what was already offered. They've plateaued hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backcountry View Post
    To expand on this.. I feel bowtech really, unavoidably, shot themselves in the foot. 2008-2011 were incredible years for them. They were leading the pack innovation. Now that is the accepted norm for them. The experience is a nice bow, but nothing mind blowing over what was already offered. They've plateaued hard.

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    Plateaued hard is spot on.



    Motorcycle, experience slower "meh" bow..

    Bowtech guy#1..." Is that it?"

    Bowtech guy #2...."can't be"

    Bowtech guy #1..." What do you mean!?"

    Bowtech guy #2 " they have to do better"
    Bowtech guys#1 " yes they must have another bow for 2013."
    Bowtech guy #2 " that's it your right the good new one isn't out yet"


    So when Bowtech and Cabelas teamed up to recycle parts and put out of all things a single cam bow mid 2013....well I think it's funny and can really see a couple of die hard Bowtech guys loosing it a little.
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    To me, the Experience is probably the best hunting bow for me that Bowtech offers. Odds are it will be the easiest to draw and has a more live able brace height. That being said, I probably wouldn't buy it over.....say..... the Insanity CPXL. For the price you pay you get more bow with other bows in Bowtech's lineup. When it comes time I'll give Bowtech a try along with every other brand. I like what the brand image is, the design of their products and their specs. To me, it's kind of a "young guys" brand. Sorry if that offends any of you older folks, but I can't remember the last time I saw someone older than 30 shooting or even talking about a Bowtech.
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    Wow, I never realized there were so many snobs in bowhunting. I shoot a Bowtech but I'm not a "Bowtech guy". I'm still very happy with my 2006 Constitution and have had a fair amount of success with it. I bowhunt and will always hunt with whatever bow I'm comfortable and confident with, it doesn't matter what brand or where that brand sells its bows. Are there really people involved in this humble, individual sport that think a product or manufacturer is hurting themselves by offering bows, equipment, ect. to people that may not be able to afford top of the line or flagship bows, all the while doing what they set out to do, make money?

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